[Discussion]Card Draw in Landstill

[Fuzzedball]

I recently put together a Budget Landstill and have felt pretty naked. By that I mean I find the lack of card draw disturbing. I sat there facing a Scepter-Chant lock waiting for burn to deal the las 6. So I waited about 20 turns. I recently have added two DAs and have liked them so far but I cant help thinking there was a reason for not including more draw. Am I playing incorrectly or am I just used to draw reliant control? For reference my decklist which is not optimal.

Counters(14)
4 Counterspell
3 Force of Will
3 Misdirection
2 Stilfe
2 Mana Leak (will be 1 stilfe and 1 force when I get them)

Removal(12)
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Fire/Ice
4 Nevinyrral's Disk

Draw(7)
4 Standstill
1 Fact or Fiction
2 Deep Analysis

Mana(27)
1 Lotus Petal
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
1 Volcanic Island
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Faerie Conclave
1 Wooded Foothills
4 Mountain
7 Island

[Moxlotus]

The deck is hard to play without Drains.  They help power out the Disk, which is usually your answer to any permanent.

[Hi-Val]

You might consider running Impulses. I do in my budget build and they find your standstills pretty quickly. Not technically draw, but definite filtering.

[Raven Fire]

I sat there facing a Scepter-Chant lock waiting for burn to deal the las 6. So I waited about 20 turns.

Any reason you didn't use one of those 14 counters instead of waiting it out?

[firebird365]

Any reason you didn't use one of those 14 counters instead of waiting it out?

I think his point was that he didn't have enough card draw to find the burn, as opposed to not being able to counter the chant.

[Jacob Orlove]

Countering the Chant would have let him attack, though.

[Tautochrone]

Landstill is so hard, if not impossible, to play without a full set of Mana Drain's and Force of Will's. For card draw you could either try Impulse or Brainstorm. And you could also use a Mystical Tutor to grab a Force of Will or another counter if you need it. But like I said; It's so hard to play without Drains.

[jollysaintj]

Mana drain has to be played in landstill, you all most depend on it. On topic i feel that card drawing is not an issue so much in this deck. Landstill generates its advantage from disk and manlands instead of out drawing the opponent. Popping a disk can set a player back many turns and put u at a huge advantage where card drawing in other decks would gain the same type of advantage. Just my two cents hopefully we will see some drains on the next post.      -Buda

[Fuzzedball]

The situation as it was during the Chant-lock described above. My opponent was running a Urw Chronic build with 10-12 counters. He had the lock down and I was holding two stifles and some land and I knew he held at least one counter. I couldnt really attack because he had a Fire/Ice on a stick as well. He had killed all my factories and I had two Conclaves on the table. So basically I had 5-6 turns to live. Maybe this sort of situation is an anomaly but sometimes vs aggro or control I need to find something ASAP and this deck doesnt really let you do that. Would 2 Impulse suit my needs better than the DAs? Im beginning to think so.

I realize Drains are integral to success but Im pretty poor. I dont have a full set of Forces or Volcanics. I have been having a little trouble with casting Disks but that comes with the territory.