Vintage Teams -- new listing!

[Jacob Orlove]

This whole thread is pretty meaningless and lame in general.

It makes your sig hilarious, though.

[SonataOfTheCathedral]

There is a team Neutral Ground, but only I play Vintage from there...

Then we have Team DP, four men, four Donkey Punches

Me
Josh Meckes (Waterbury Winnar)
James
Roland Chang

[LotusHead]

This whole thread is pretty meaningless and lame in general.

This thread would be interesting if we found the only seven vintage players left on this planet who WASN'T on a team and talked about them.

Not all Vintage fans post at ALL. This includes Frank Lau, who is a total n99b and simply has the cards and can make the decks, but only if he copies a netdeck and maybe changes 1 card.  This also includes several member who will not post on SCG, much less TMD because they are 12, or 15 or simply not savy enough to get into the "internet MTG/TMD thing", but understand what happens when I pwn their face with a 60 proxy deck or get my ass beat by them with a real deck vs my 60 proxy deck because of Tinker/Will/Oath.

I am pretty sure you have been in the T1 scene for a few years (as I recognize your name on TMD etc from a year or two ago) if not many many years (I don't know you).

But Vintage Magic is the "Sport" of playing Magical Cards with All your Cards, including 10 you don't own. (and Portal! When will Gleemax be legal?)

Every Vintage Magic player has their own Meta, with their own set of limitations/abilities. and if someone in that area is trying to keep Vintage Alive, then they naturally form bonds, and soon a "Team" mentality takes hold (if not an actual team with rules).

Sarcasm, veiled insults and double meanings are ok with me on this thread (that is why I am not a TMD Mod, but this is TMfuckingD.)
General Negativism kinda sucks.

For Example:
I am Team Vacaville because I love my Black Lotus and TimeTwister and 4moxen and various broken cards, and despite the fact that I have been playing T1 Magic for 12 years (that puts me at Unlimited Entry Status), I have only been serious about modern Vintage DeckBuilding/Pwning since about Mirroden Block.

Seriously, my moxen were in my Sliver Deck with Natural Order (the Tinker for Gread Creature card. Still to be broken in T1. I Used it to get Ms SQueen into play for 2GG)

As far as Team Props/ListsOAccomplishements/Bios: That is what as this thread is for.

Not all teams are from SCG.Pwn locals, or European No Proxy Metas.

Some are from Portugal/Australia/PhoenixArizona.

Let the thread develope.  It's like 2-3 days old.

It's not like Team Vacaville, originators of SlapJack or SlapJack2k6(withCanadianModifications) or Modified GildedClaw.dec are making waves, but our voice is heard (or performance locally is duly noted).

The ICBM Post was pretty crazy, and could be fun, but is still dangerous to this thread. (not unwelcome, I remember back and forth Pwning by PTW and Saucemaster

My Team is Team Vacaville (because Team Owneg and Team LotusHead were unacceptable. Team Owneg was an idea because a guy on Team Vacaville who made a Trinisphere PROXY post restriction, with a sloppily made StaxDeck that had a Proxy called (Translating NoobSpeak here...) Trenyfer -3 -Owneg (suposed to be ownage flavor text.  He has won 1.5 peices of Power (Twister and Library. You figure it out).  Rejected Team Owneg as their T2 Team name (they chose team dumbgood!). Team LotusHead was unacceptable because "I" am LotusHead. Sure, it's mostly my cards, but I am not willing to call Team Name: Team Jeff (my first name).  That is why Team LotusHead is out of the question. I am LotusHead.

blah blah we made this and won this blah blah im on team meandeck blah blah whatever.

Well, Team Vacaville hasn't shaken up the T1 world, but we have shaken up the T1 Meta where we are from.  (people here have to consider the fact that A: I used to play Salvagers and randomly pwn better decks by being Combo, or B) Playing "The Gilded Claw" and randomly pwning their EBA/EBAv2/Oath/Slaver/TPS/Dragon decks...  Not neccessarily because I am better than everybody (My Misplays are almost LEGENDARY), but because my "Crew" keeps showing up with Power/Proxies/Duals/Forces/Drains/T1StaplesLikeWeldersIntuitionsOaths,etc.

Teams involve Resources.  Playtesting is a benefit, but having the cardpool is also neccessary.

What Teams are out there?  That is the point of this thread.

[Komatteru]

There is a team Neutral Ground, but only I play Vintage from there...

Then we have Team DP, four men, four Donkey Punches

Me
Josh Meckes (Waterbury Winnar)
James
Roland Chang

I was under the impression that Roland is still on Meandeck.

[nataz]

Is this the line to sign up for T.O.P.I.C.?

[Godder]

I'm not on a team.  The idea of barning a conceptual "team" is ridiculous and I refuse to be a part of it.  If you can't justify yourself and your accomplishments without reminding us what organisations you belong to, you need to work a bit harder.  It's weird that those that have performed the best on a premier stage do not mindlessly promote themselves and "the team I play for because we're that good omfg". 

If you want to be the kings of vintage and rule with your almighty smack talk, go run for state Senate or something.  In virtually no other sport or hobby are teams as political and self-promoting as in this one.  Fuck off if you can't do anything yourself.

While I agree with the sentiment regarding the politics and all that, teams are very useful in a general sense, not least because it allows a beneficial sharing of resources. I know I benefit from being in a team by not having to buy all the cards myself.

[LotusHead]

In virtually no other sport or hobby are teams as political and self-promoting as in this one.  Fuck off if you can't do anything yourself.

That's the point.  There are many players who CANT play T1 without support from others with the cards. We train in Vacaville (50 miles away from Eudemonia, etc) and if "I" go, then I let others from Vacaville come and compete.  If "I" don't go (due to life, etc), then no one goes, and the event has 2-5 less players in it  (I am also the one with the car, if you haven't figured that out...)

We train together, but I am the only one who posts here (does the research, proxies up the decks, and so forth). Team Vacaville has only 1 online personality: Me.

End of rant.

ps: Team Vacaville is small potatoes as teams go, but we represent in our area.  We have no 100+ events.   LotusHead(tm)  decks do have fans. They don't netdeck directly, but they pay attention let me know that I am (um. Team Vacaville) is a force to be reckoned with in our local area.

I made my "Name" playing SlapJack (Salvagers/Trinket Mages, Intuitions, Cunning Wish- Fundamentals of SlapJack) and won power with OathSalvagers (still Wish/Intuition, but no Trinket Mages, Those were in SB to transform back to oldschool SlapJack and Oath Hate (key to winning my first Mox...).

Anyways, in may of 2005, after a year of playing Salvagers (and 3 months or so after playing OathSalvagers), I played my first ever Mirror Match. Erik Brown. He Pwned me.  The previous tourney, he took 1st place with his build of OathSalvagers (many many maindeck differences, but you get the point.).  I had no idea who he was or that he was playing Salvagers.  I was too busy getting my ass beat that day. (I don't always top 8).  Anyways, When he was in semi-finals, or Finals, I finally realized he was playing Oath Salvagers.  I was stunned.

He won that night (he had lost 1 game all night, I believe) (taking home a Mox Jet or something cool).

After everything was said and done, I congratulated him, and (he is from 100 miles away from this venue...) he said "You are LotusHead, right?" yep. "I have read all your posts.  This is my version (he liked Thirsts better than Intuition) and that Oath Salvagers has been the most enjoyable deck he had played (at that point).

On teams: Some higher profile TMDrs are on teams that are a) famous  b) international and c) online savy as to say, private team forums.
Veggies comes to mind as a writer, deckbuilder and well "Online Personality". He is on a team.  His team is "better/bigger" than mine (Team NoitcelfeRmaeT as near as I can tell) as my resources arebut  local scrubs who I force to play T1. Yet we are a "team" and everyone on it has won or split power (bragging rights) , and I am sure there are other teams who keep their Meta vibrant.

That's the point of this thread. Politics has little to do with it.

Propagation of Vintage has everything to do with it.

Teams Post Stuff (or talk shit), but usually decklists ensue.  Other people read them (Erik is my test case) and benefit. Other people are on teams of different "importance" (Veggies is my test case), but none-the-less, Teams exists.

Who are you? What is your team?

[LotusHead]

You can do your work "propagating" this format fine by making new decks and spreading the news about it.  You don't have to trash-talk your team up or barning yourself or the team name.

I don't believe you are accusing Team Vacaville of Trash Talking other teams. (maybe commenting on other teams trashtalking ech other..maybe)

What is wrong with "Teams"?
1) Names/OnlineNames
2) Locale
3) list of accomplishments (uh. 1st place finishes in small SANCTIONED T1 tourneys where 1 Basic Land (DCI) and 1 T2 Foil (SERUM VISsON arena foil) is the prize? (or say, actual Power in current Non-Sanctioned events...

Furthermore, Teams and "Team Names" and TeamNameOath.dec (for example) furthers duscission on Vintage tech.  Team Vacaville claims nothing, prestige or otherwise, except that we have pwned face in our local meta (and it took almost 1.5 years for this to happen.). There were 3 tournies in a row where Team Vacaville placed 100% of its members into top 8 (or top 6 in one case).  Kinda cool from our perspective.  Technically, our meta is small (30+ max.), but it's OUR meta.




All I will say on this is that we all play T1/Vintage/Magic because it is fun.  We want to win because that is just how thiings work.  If we want to brag about it, so be it. (no, we don't have to be DICKS about it...but still, it's why anyone wants to win at any game (other than say, POKER/21 where actual money is at stake...beyond say, $20 entry fee/Gas/Food/etc)

[nataz]

Veggies comes to mind as a writer, deckbuilder and well "Online Personality". He is on a team.  His team is "better/bigger" than mine (Team NoitcelfeRmaeT as near as I can tell)

you do realize that NoitcelfeR maeT, is Team Reflection right?

Anyways, in the spirit of this thread,
 
My name is Edmund Muskie. I was a U.S. senator, Gov. of Maine, U.S. Sec. of State, and even a Vice Presidential candidate. Unsatisfied with the political climate during the mid-90's, I signed up for a secret Temporal Displacement Service (sTDS), faked my own death, and "moved" to the year 3006.

The good news is that computers in 3006 can somehow post messages back in time, the bad news is that the dolphin overlords only let us "naked monkey slaves" use them on weekends.

The "squeaks", as we call them, will be back any min, so I'll have to cut this short. Two things I must tell you, very important, you must save mankind...

First off, I founded Team Maine, not as Type I Vintage team, but as a training camp for the leaders of the upcoming guerrilla resistance. The mana Drains and Moxen are only a cover, you must protect them at all cost. The future of the resistance is in their hands. Even as we speak, the great great great grandchildren of the Team Maine Founders are distracting the Dolphin Masters so I can get this message out.

Second, what ever you do, don't let president Bush.,.malk;dfak;df
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Squeak...Squeaky, Squeegee Squirt.
I <3 Fish.

/end transmission

[Hi-Val]

  In virtually no other sport or hobby are teams as political and self-promoting as in this one.  Fuck off if you can't do anything yourself.

lol someone hasn't watched pro wrestling then!

[Harlequin]

For a short while, I was part of "Team New England."   The team was started by Ray, and consisted of everyone at the Exchange that day.  We swept top8, took all the doorprizes, and then retired the team.

Asside from that, basically Jer, my brother, and I all share cards.  I guess that makes us a team.

[orgcandman]

I'm part of Team WinnarsAreUs

We have Mr. T on our team, and he invents the so good.

Our accomplishments include:
 - Macking on your women, taking them home with us, and dropping them off the next day
 - Donkey punching the mods.....twice
 - pwning n00bs
 - hacking the gibson...twice
 - blowing fire (there are pics)
 - impregnating a woman by looking at her
 - doubling the mise for Jacob Orlove
 - the best horror movie ever: Leprechaun: Back 2 da Hood (you're welcome)
 - Suzanne Sommers' thighs (She calls me "Thigh Master")

I've yet to be defeated in any drinking challenges, and can probably drink your team, and mine under the table in one hour.

[SonataOfTheCathedral]

There is a team Neutral Ground, but only I play Vintage from there...

Then we have Team DP, four men, four Donkey Punches

Me
Josh Meckes (Waterbury Winnar)
James
Roland Chang

I was under the impression that Roland is still on Meandeck.

He most certainly is. The Donkey Punch thing is more of a joke, I would imagine a Type one team would test, share deck info, brag infinite amount of times. I know I certainly put a total of 2 hours a month testing, right before a big tournament.

[Lunar]

Heh, Jeff...nice thread...gotta love a good argument waiting to happen.

Anyways...a comment or two for ya.

I invented Team Oakland as a way for myself to title the 3 guys from Oakland I destroyed with The Riddler oh so long ago at a Whos on First tournament (such fun) Team Oakland was an easy way to organize Jesse, Nate and Rob into one entity. SO basically Team Vacaville pays homage to ME! woot!.

Although your naming of Team Vacaville has one other problem...you didnt call it team LotusHead, yet you call Tony Kevin and I Team Lunar...which by your own definition makes little sense...but it hardly matters as we are a totally fake team just there to make you think we are way more organized than we really are.

David and Luis probably arent full members because of that test...its long and unless you are really itching to post in that super duper high end one of a kind forum (ie the humor forum...cause who really posts in the closed main forum anyways ;p ) there is not much of a point in having the title...I think everybody in California realizes that those guys are the best players out here. But if there were a way to let somebody skip that test on account of references or whatnot, then id give both of them a pass to Full Member at the least if not adept, but that would never happen obv.

last comment is @ orgcandman

I've yet to be defeated in any drinking challenges, and can probably drink your team, and mine under the table in one hour.

Id love to get to meet you to put that to a test...

[LotusHead]

SO basically Team Vacaville pays homage to ME! woot!.

True.  The other reason for Team Vacaville, is that Vacaville players only show up in my car.  There are plenty of Eudenoms that are from Oakland not on Team Oakland. (Berkely is right next to Oakland for those not from the area...)

Although your naming of Team Vacaville has one other problem...you didnt call it team LotusHead, yet you call Tony Kevin and I Team Lunar...which by your own definition makes little sense...but it hardly matters as we are a totally fake team just there to make you think we are way more organized than we really are.

That's what this thread is for.  Lunar's absence as of late isn't voluntary, I'm sure, and Team Jansport hasn't been mentioned in a while...heh

David and Luis probably arent full members because of that test...its long and ...I think everybody in California realizes that those guys are the best players out here. (Edited)

Quoted for truthery.

[LSV]

While we dont have a team name or anything, i would call my group a team.
It consists of myself (Luis Scott-Vargas) and Webster (David Ochoa) mainly, with my roommate Matt Benjamin in as well.
We generally do test for our tournaments, ranging from a little to a lot, and have had good success over the last year or so in the power tournaments in our area (Northern California). Much like Lotushead said, while we have never played out of our metagame, with the exception of winning a Time Walk in Los Angeles, its still a good metagame and its ours. We have been pretty dominant on the local scene, for whatever thats worth.

Luis

[Lunar]

Team Jansport hasnt been mentioned in a while because our Jansport Backpacks fell apart so we dumped that company as our sponser.

We then became Team Pink for a decent amount of time leading up until the realization that people actually read my article on Magic Pimpness and people EVERYWHERE all of a sudden started using Pink sleeves. Once too many people do something it is no longer cool and hip, but rather trendy and lame....so team pink died in a blaze of glory as we were forced to purchase blue sleeves at a shop which didnt sell pink ones.

Really I just call us the norcal guys and stress the norcal more or less depending on how widespread I want to make the norcal guys sound...ie is it just NorCal tourneys (tony and I) or the NorCal forum members of which there are over 60 or is it all the players at a specific event etc etc. You can just call us Team We Pwn Team Oakland if you want though.

[Nastaboi]

I have no team, I have won one piece of power, I live in Europe and our metagame sucks.