Artifacts Public Enemy #1

[InsaneScrub]

Obviously artifacts have been a major problem in type 1 since the beginning,  they are powerful, and most of them are easilly abused in type 1, so rather than lock yourself out of using them by utilizing Null Rod, I might suggest we return to total artifact hate ditching the mox monkey (Gorilla Shaman) for something substantially more powerful vs artifact decks and annoying god draws. Enters now Meltdown into the consideration factor.  (RX destroy all artifact with converted mana cost of X or less.)  Yes it's a board sweeper, and it evades chalice of the void and totally wrecks artifact lands and aritfact decks.  

The question is, what deck to put it in, or is it a sideboard card?  Is Rack and Ruin better than meltdown vs artifact decks?  Or is it just a mox monkey on crack that kills all moxes on sight.  I don't know about you, but I am tired of massive artfact decks, and it seems to me meltdown is a sure quick decisive answer to the annoyances of those archetypes and the mox mox sol ring opening.

Good luck with your metagame calls.

[Smash]

For every hate card you bring in, you make your threat base weaker, and they can usually answer your threats.

Good luck melting down plat angel or a smemnarch.

[nev]

Shatterstorm is a nice FU, artifact deck.

[Matt]

Furnace Dragon!

[Meddling Mike]

the thing about the furnace dragon is you need artifacts to make it worthwile too, you'll probably hurt yourself alot by playing it most times. what about shattering pulse?

[jpmeyer]

Or we could just stick with Rack and Ruin, Pernicious Deed, and Gorilla Shaman

I have always liked Furnace Dragon as a potential SB card for TnT

[Androstanolone]

don't forget artifact mutation, total stax h8.

[Matt]

the thing about the furnace dragon is you need artifacts to make it worthwile too, you'll probably hurt yourself alot by playing it most times. what about shattering pulse?

What kind of terrible deck plays without artifacts?

[The Atog Lord]

so rather than lock [sic] yourself out of using them [artifacts] by utilizing Null Rod, I might suggest ... Meltdown

If you are concerned with harming yourself with Null Rod, won't Meltdown prove to be just as painful?

Mox Monkey is flexible enough to maindeck. He's a creature, he's reusable, and he is one-sided.

For boarding, Rack and Ruin is very good because an opponent will seldom have over two threatening artifacts on the board.

For mass artifact removal, I recommended the old Atog, Donate, Mindslaver combo.

[Aeneas]

if you want to hate effectively against artifacts, I would not recommend meltdown highly.  there are 3 reasons i would not consider it.

1) least importantly, it clears your board of artifacts.  not a very strong point, but it is valid nonetheless.

2)  decks based around artifacts tend to have significant accelleration coupled with artifacts with high casting costs.  this will make it hard to pull of a successful meltdown.

3)  in addition to artifact based decks utilizing mana accel and high CC permanents, they also are quite strong in the mana denial element.  5 strips, tanglewires, Spheres of Resistance.  

those reasons coupled together make a solid case against meltdown, in my opinion.

to get around that, you can use Pulverize.  of course, this is for mono red or a deck highly devoted to red.  it still messes up your artifacts, but it kills all artifacts, regardless of CC.  it also sidesteps the mana denial plan of artifact based decks quite nicely.

hope i was helpful
Matt Kent

[wicked chicken]

Has anyone tried anchient runes ?

   
anchient runes
during each players upkeep anchient runes deals one damage to that player for each artifact he or she controls


 just pulling ideas out of the air.(I'd post a link but I'm not that computer savy)

[xrizzo]

Has anyone tried anchient runes ?

   
anchient runes
during each players upkeep anchient runes deals one damage to that player for each artifact he or she controls


 just pulling ideas out of the air.(I'd post a link but I'm not that computer savy)

This just won't do enough damage to be worthwhile.  It is so situational, it would have to come out of the board, and really has no chance to derail an artifact deck at 3 mana for simply damage.  (ie, no board position)

Shaman has been around a long time because he DOMINATES.  He snacks when he wants to, can attack or block in timely situations, and is one sided.  A definite champ.

R&R is also basically a staple in SBs.  Here you pay 3 mana to get rid of the best 2 artifacts your opponent has.  If there are more than 2 that really hurt, then you are already in big trouble, but between the two cards, you should have a chance.

Artifact mutation is a great sideboard option against fat - because it helps with the perm count as well as destroying any size artifact for 2 mana.

I would just recommend to stick with what has worked in the past.  Try out new tech, (oxidize is great for green) and see what fits.