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« on: April 16, 2004, 11:21:49 pm »

Hey all, I haven't posted here in a long time and I've been out of magic for a while. I'm getting back into it now and was wondering if you guys could help me with my GAT build. My biggest debate is whether or not to put in Future sight and fastbond. The combo is pretty cool when you get it out, but is it worth putting it in? For now I'll post my list with it for now, since most my current resources seem to like it better with them in. Here is my current list, any and all suggestions are welcome.

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2 Psychatog
4 Quiron Dryad

Counter/Disrupt
1 Mind Twist
2 Duress
2 Misdirection
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will

Draw/Search
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Gush
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Cunning Wish
4 Brainstorm
4 Accumulated Knowledge
1 Merchant Scroll

Brokenness
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Time Walk
1 Future Sight
1 Fastbond

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1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
4 Island  
1 Strip Mine
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
3 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea

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2 Stifle
2 Diabolic Edict
2 Naturalize
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Berserk
3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Fact or Fiction

This build seems to be working alright for me, but I haven't tested without the Fastbond/Future Sight in it. In the Sideboard Stifles seem to be very effective in my meta, but I don't feel I can do enough with the SB with only 2 Wishes. I can't find anything worth takeing out for a 3rd wish, but like I said, any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks for reading.
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2004, 11:29:32 am »

This doesn't have a lot of land. Is Mind Twist really better than another Duress?
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2004, 12:29:26 pm »

I don't think 3 Wishes are playable without a high mana count, like Keeper or Hulk have.  Keep it at 2.

What else, besides Berserk, do you really need to wish for with GAT?Smile
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2004, 02:04:04 pm »

It seems to me that your going for a more-controllish build of GAT.  If that is the case, then your on the right track.

For control GAT

- 3 wishes are the right number.
- FS is too slow and clunky, try DA
- Control doesn't use Fastbond
- Pernicious Deed is a must and a bomb like twist.

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There are alot of things that GAT needs to wish for, mostly in the way of smother, BEB, oxidize, and naturalize. Trust me, you need them.
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2004, 01:41:52 am »

well guys, after talking to some people, I've decided that FS and Fastbond aren't the way to go, thanks to Kerz and Untima's persuasion. so here's what I've done with the list:

-1 Future Sight
-1 Fastbond
+1 Mox Ruby
+1 Mox Pearl

I decided against the 3rd Wish because there is nothing worth takeing out for it, the only thing I could think of was Merchant Scroll, which seems to work pretty well in the deck.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2004, 05:02:41 pm »

Future Sight and Fastbond are a house when played in GAT. You should up the land count a little to be able play the wishes then use the target if you want to at the moment, also I do like the mind twist in if you use fastbond so you can get 5 cards and not just 2 or 3. I do like the deck though.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2004, 09:08:52 pm »

what do you guys think of Diabolic Edict in the sideboard? Should I take it out for smother? They both have their ups and downs, Smother is better vs. the Mirror, but Edict is better vs. Slaver. I think they both work equally as well vs. like Hulk. I just can't decide which is more worth playing.

Another thought I had was takeing out either the Twist or a MisD and adding in a 3rd Wish. More Wishes is definately a good thing, and I don't seem to get off HUGE Twists, and MisD usually gets pitched to FoW, but its occasionally good for the random Sui, or a MisD on Ancestral or something. This probably is a bad idea, but its just a thought, let me know what you guys think.

ok guys, I've come up with a new, updated SB from what I started with. Here it is

2 Stifle
2 Oxidize
2 Smother
2 Damping Matrix
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Naturalize
1 BEB
1 Berserk
1 FoF
1 Hurkyl's Recall

Lots of Slavery hate, but to my understanding there's lots of it in my meta right now. One thing I am considering is takeing out a Matrix for a 3rd Deed, I'm still unsure of whether or not its actually worth it.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2004, 11:13:12 pm »

I play GAT as well, however my version is much more budgeted than yours since I have no power (which is kinda necessary).  

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2 Stifle
2 Oxidize
2 Smother
2 Damping Matrix
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Naturalize
1 BEB
1 Berserk
1 FoF
1 Hurkyl's Recall


As for the SB, I have some issues.  Personally, I feel that Stifle should be run MD instead of Duress as it has proved much more effective cuz it's just broken.  Yes, I would swamp your smother's for edicts most definitely.  I don't really like Matrix in here since it screws with Tog so if u want that maybe put in some Ground Seals instead.  Also, since you seem fully powered I would suggest running V. Tutor in the side.  I'm also testing out a red splash right now and it's working pretty well for me so u might want to try that out because it opens some pretty good SB options such as R&R, Artifact Mutation, REB,... as well as Fire/Ice in the main.

That's all for now...
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2004, 10:19:04 am »

Obviously your deck has some issues that need to be addressed, you asked for help, but really didn't listen to everyones comments.  So let me reiterate some of them for you.  The mind twist isn't needed, 3 duresses are a must though, secondly cunning wish is somewhat slow also.  Seriously, I love u/g/b, I just don't think your build is acceptable, the accumulated knowledge just don't seem needed in your deck.  I think you deck needs some more consideration.
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2004, 01:09:59 pm »

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Obviously your deck has some issues that need to be addressed, you asked for help, but really didn't listen to everyones comments. So let me reiterate some of them for you. The mind twist isn't needed, 3 duresses are a must though, secondly cunning wish is somewhat slow also. Seriously, I love u/g/b, I just don't think your build is acceptable, the accumulated knowledge just don't seem needed in your deck. I think you deck needs some more consideration.


Ok first of all, I listened to everybody's comments, and I took them all into consideration, and even changed my deck accordingly to some of them. That being said, I did take out the Mind Twist, It wasn't worth playing in the deck.

I think Cunning Wish is GREAT right now. with how much Slaver and Tog there is being played out in today's Meta, Cunning Wish is VERY necessary. Being able to Wish for that Smother, Oxidize or Naturalize could save my life and even turn the tides of a game. I'm not knocking you suggestion, I'm just disagreeing with you on that point.

Next, AK has been working quite well in the deck as of now, and most people are playing it in GAT right now, so I don't know why you say that its not necessary. If its not necessary, what do you suggest I put in instead?

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As for the SB, I have some issues. Personally, I feel that Stifle should be run MD instead of Duress as it has proved much more effective cuz it's just broken. Yes, I would swamp your smother's for edicts most definitely. I don't really like Matrix in here since it screws with Tog so if u want that maybe put in some Ground Seals instead. Also, since you seem fully powered I would suggest running V. Tutor in the side. I'm also testing out a red splash right now and it's working pretty well for me so u might want to try that out because it opens some pretty good SB options such as R&R, Artifact Mutation, REB,... as well as Fire/Ice in the main.


Stifle being run MD is something to consider, but I won't do it until I see the metagame at a tourny. Depending on what I see, I may take Duressed out for them, but as of now I kind of doubt it.

I agree with you on Matrix, it kind of blows. I tried it out and it just a dead card, I took those out for Null Rods. Null Rod does stop the Moxen and Lotus, I am aware of that, but vs. Slaver, it wins you the game so its a good sacrafice IMO. As for the red splash, if I was to do that I think I'd just playing UBGR Tog instead. The manabase of this deck is about as unstable as it can afford to get, and adding red makes it worse. If its working for you, then great, but I think I'll just stick with UBG for now.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2004, 09:56:43 am »

Stifle is really only a card that you want to have one of in your sideboard with Growing Tog, as a wish target.

The deck does not want nor need to play control when it can just Grow or Tog, and Stifle is really just a control card most of the time.  Sometimes, it is the play-to-not-lose card, so it warrants one spot in the board.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2004, 10:39:38 am »

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Next, AK has been working quite well in the deck as of now, and most people are playing it in GAT right now, so I don't know why you say that its not necessary. If its not necessary, what do you suggest I put in instead?


Actually, in point to fact, most people aren't running AK in GAT anymore, unless you wanna scoop to Hulk Smash.

The fact of the matter is, when playing AK, you lose to almost everything good except Keeper.  

Use TFK and DA together, its your best shot.  Trust me.
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