Landstill, taking a 2nd look.

[Machinus]

I think the most we can expect from psiblast is a singleton cunning wish target in a control deck, or as a four of maindeck in BBS. Bolt is the reason red is splashed in landstill.

[OPColby]

For the Urb build, has anyone thought about demonic consultation?

What downside is there?

As for the Response/Stifle debate, I'm probably going to take out a stifle to add in a reponse, so I'll have double Stifle, single Response.

Demonic Consultation?  Downside?

[Machinus]

Is two stifle even enough? The new role it is playing is much more aggressive, and more important in the early game for mana denial. If response were to be maindecked, is one the right number? That puts it at basically pitch fodder status, but any more seems to be regarded as a waste of deck space. I think if one is in the maindeck, there is room in the SB for more.

[DutchJungelist]

ive been working on a urb build aswell, but mostly for shits and giggles cos you can put crazy stuff in the board

well anyways i was wondering what the position is on main deck annul, probably a metta call but its a big middle finger too dragon, slavery, tnt, workshop.deck and even ravager affin.

(btw, i know ive got a gift for stating the obvious!!)
but seriously whats the position?

[proGaming]

Demonic Consultation? Downside?

This is control, not combo or scrubby aggro, it has no place.  The reason why decks run Demonic because the card they search for will usually have a huge impact on the game or simply just win the game for that player which isn't true for a control deck, espically Landstill where it doesn't really have "broken" plays.

[OPColby]

Actually, Landstill is best described as Control-Aggro, or, Aggro-Control if you're playing an aggressive version with tons of burn.  (I.E, pure U/r)

Anyway, Demonic Consultation gets you that second or third standstill instantly (or first, if you need it that bad).  It works perfect after you blow a disk.  I don't really see a downside.  If you need that wasteland, you get one for 1 mana.  I don't see it as a dead card, and there might very well be game-breaking plays made with it.  We can use the Vampiric and Demonic Tutors for Ancestrals, Time Walks, Yawgmoth's Wills, etc.  (one of each)  With the Consultation, it basically serves the same purpose, but gets us out those cards that we absolutely need although we have four of them.  Such as a mana drain, disk, etc.

Fourth turn:  Disk with FoW backup.
Fifth turn:  Play Land, Disk blow, Consultation for Standstill, Standstill, two blue mana left for Mana Drain.

Think about when you absolutely need a burn card to kill a Welder, or a standstill, or even a disk etc.  Of course, if you do this, and you put an Ancestral, a Time Walk, a Yawgmoth's Will, etc out of the game, then your tutors become useless:  But really, it isn't likely that your three best cards are going to just happen to be stacked right on top of each other.

The Rock, what do you think?  Demonic Consultation could really hurt you, but it could also be the bomb diggity.  Also, it's adding in a fourth black card.  (ick!)  And mana problems could arise.

The decklist would look like this with a Consultation:

Mana ( 28 )
4 Wasteland
4 Underground Sea
4 Volcanic Island
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Faerie Conclave
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Strip Mine
2 Bloodstained Mire

8 Removal
4 Nevinyyral's Disk
4 Fire/Ice

8 Counterspells
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain

11 Utility
3 Stifle  (Misnomers likely to lead to erroneous interpretations)
2 Misdirection
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Time Walk
1 Teferi's Response

5 Draw
4 Standstill
1 Ancestral Recall

Sideboard ( 15 )
4 Red Elemental Blast
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Maze of Ith
1 Chain of Vapors
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Perish
1 Mind Twist

How big of a risk is it to throw in a Consultation?

[OPColby]

There isn't room for MainDecked annuls in a Urb build.

Of course, you're talking to someone who potentially wants to add in a Consultation, so...  :)

Also, this might be inappropriate on the forums, but does anyone know where, online, one can get most of these cards for a relatively cheap price?

I'm not looking to buy a Lotus at under 300 dollars, I just mean like Underground Seas, Volcanic Islands, even Stifles at under ten dollars would be nice.  Starcitygames' prices are outrageous most of the time, (charging a buck for a common, or 32 bucks for a Morphling.  get real) and I don't know any other good online source to get cards in good condition at.  I usually get expensive cards off Ebay, but a deal on there is like, once every month, if that.  The best I can say I've ever gotten off Ebay is 3 Morphlings for under 20 bucks each.

Does anyone use anything regularly that they wouldn't mind sharing with a guy?  How reliable is collectmart?  (I've noticed that they have cheap, cheap prices, but because of that, they rarely have any good cards in stock.)

If your comment is in the wrong forum and has no relevance to the thread, then reserve it for when/where it is appropriate. This thread is really close to going down the tube.

-Shock Wave

[TheRock]

proGaming:  And Nevinyyral's Disk, Yawgmoth's Will, and Mind Twist aren't cards that can change an entire game around?  I guess that Keeper, Hulk, and Control Slaver run Demonic Tutor for laughs too.

ctthespian:  You are absolutely right, thank you.  Cursed Totem has worked out very well.


Consultation is a great card, but I don't think anybody would ever have the space to run it.  It is not consistent in getting your restricted cards or any 2-of from your sideboard.  This is a major disadvantage.

Good Landstill decks run at least 3 Stifle.  Teferi's Response gets configured into the deck after the 3 Stifle are there.

[proGaming]

proGaming: And Nevinyyral's Disk, Yawgmoth's Will, and Mind Twist aren't cards that can change an entire game around? I guess that Keeper, Hulk, and Control Slaver run Demonic Tutor for laughs too.

Uh, how bout you quote what you are replying to because I am lost, lol.

[DEA]

Demonic Consultation? Downside?

This is control, not combo or scrubby aggro, it has no place.  The reason why decks run Demonic because the card they search for will usually have a huge impact on the game or simply just win the game for that player which isn't true for a control deck, espically Landstill where it doesn't really have "broken" plays.

this one
the only thing that remotely sounds consultable in that list is nev's disk
please, go ahead and consult for a restricted card, i'll wait