Fun Oath

[honestabe]

Ok, so the summer's here, and I decided to make a deck that had a real fun summer feel.

With Oath being my favorite deck, I decided to make a fun Oath deck, so here it goes.

1x Progenitus
1x Hellkite Overlord
1x Inkwell Leviathan

3x Negate
4x Force of Will
1x Misdirection
1x Ancestarl Recall
1x Brainstorm
3x Impulse
2x Lim Dul's Vault
2x Lat Nam's Legacy
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Crop Rotation

1x Demonic Tutor
1x Time Walk
1x Gaea's Blessing
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Tinker
4x Thoughseize

4x Oath of Druids

1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Ruby
3x Null Rod

4x Forbidden Orchard
4x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine
2x Polluted Delta
2x Floded Strand
2x Underground Sea
2x Tropical Island

SIDEBOARD

3x Pithing Needle
3x Tormod's Crypt
2x Empyrial Archangel
3x Oxidize
3x Echoing Truth
1x Platinum Angel


So, I've been playtesting, and it has a very fun feel.  The theme of the deck seems to be "shut down opponent while I find Oath"  It is MUCH more disrutpive than controlling, and the land destruction coupled with null rod REALLY shuts down any opposing manabase.
The tinker/Inky combo is really just a way to sneak a creature in, but tinker could also be used in tandum with null rod.
Having 5 colorless lands does screw with the manabase, but I've all but eliminated this problem with a high number of fetchlands as well as a crop rotation to dig up any land needed.

My only real problem is the occasional mana screw, with I'm trying to counter act by somehow fitting a lotus petal into the deck.
My only other concern is the sideboard.  The deck is REALLY suseptable to storm, and I'm having a hard time creating a sideboard in general with this deck.

[honestabe]

Any help at all?

Lim Dul's Vault is a great way to dig up whatever card is needed, PLUS it can help arrange cards so you can choose which creature to Oath up.

[honestabe]

Ok, so the summer's here, and I decided to make a deck that had a real fun summer feel.

With Oath being my favorite deck, I decided to make a fun Oath deck, so here it goes.

2x Hellkite Overlord
1x Inkwell Leviathan

3x Negate
4x Force of Will
1x Misdirection
1x Ancestarl Recall
1x Brainstorm
3x Impulse
2x Lim Dul's Vault
2x Lat Nam's Legacy
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Crop Rotation

1x Demonic Tutor
1x Time Walk
1x Gaea's Blessing
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Tinker
4x Thoughseize

4x Oath of Druids

1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Ruby
3x Null Rod

4x Forbidden Orchard
4x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine
2x Polluted Delta
2x Floded Strand
2x Underground Sea
2x Tropical Island

SIDEBOARD

3x Pithing Needle
3x Tormod's Crypt
2x Empyrial Archangel
3x Oxidize
3x Echoing Truth
1x Platinum Angel


So, I've been playtesting, and it has a very fun feel.  The theme of the deck seems to be "shut down opponent while I find Oath"  It is MUCH more disrutpive than controlling, and the land destruction coupled with null rod REALLY shuts down any opposing manabase.
The tinker/Inky combo is really just a way to sneak a creature in, but tinker could also be used in tandum with null rod.
Having 5 colorless lands does screw with the manabase, but I've all but eliminated this problem with a high number of fetchlands as well as a crop rotation to dig up any land needed.

My only real problem is the occasional mana screw, with I'm trying to counter act by somehow fitting a lotus petal into the deck.
My only other concern is the sideboard.  The deck is REALLY suseptable to storm, and I'm having a hard time creating a sideboard in general with this deck.

[voltron00x]

Your list seems to be based on mine from the Philly Open 3 or 4/4 Blue Bell, with less duals / fetches and more wastelands, and Null Rod instead of Chalice.  I think swapping Null Rod for Chalice is a mistake; Null Rod is definitely good and its a card Tezz has to deal with, however Chalice is more versatile against the field and can single-handedly win the game against TPS or ANT.  If you're really a fan of Null Rod, I'd move it to the SB.  I'm also not sure you really need Vamp, Demonic, 2 Vault, AND Crop Rotation.  Yawg Will seems out of place in this deck as well, especially if you leave Null Rod in the deck.  How exactly do you plan on abusing the Will, especially with your mana base?  Regrowth would probably be better suited.  I also think you want to add Mox Pearl, since a turn-one Oath is one of this deck's best plays (although Lotus Petal might actually be as good or better, I haven't really decided yet).

I'd suggest cutting one Lat-Nam's Legacy and Crop Rotation for another fetch and an Underground Sea, which should help fix your mana issues.  Personally I'd also probably go -1 Wasteland for a Mox Pearl / Lotus Petal (maybe -1 more Wasteland for a 2nd Tropical), and -1 Yawg Will for a Regrowth.  And as I said above, I definitely prefer Chalice over Null Rod.  

[Random Noob]

Perhaps i would play Magister Sphinx over Inkwell Leviathan. It finishes faster when you Flip it as an early Oath target, and finishes as a Tinker target very well too. In my opinion your list is very good. I would't call it a fun list (;

[timp]

thoughtseize is unnecessary in any oath deck because you want your opponents to play creatures
so run duress and keep your life
that is why you play negates as your secondary counterspell

[honestabe]

thoughtseize is unnecessary in any oath deck because you want your opponents to play creatures
so run duress and keep your life
that is why you play negates as your secondary counterspell

The only reason I preferre thoughtseize was because it could deal with meddling mage, and other creatures that I'd rather not have on the feild, but you make sense, life is better, especially when I'm giving my opponent 1/1s to bash with


ALSO

as far as yawg's will goes, it's a great way to play the spells that Oath dumps into the grave.  Whether the deck is better without, I'm not sure, and I'll do some testing with regrowth instead.
Crop rotation is a great way to dig up orchard, and I've played Oath without it before, and the advantage of getting any land you want is just too great.

As far as the null rod/Chalice debate, I chose Chalice for 3 reasons.
1. Tezz is dominating the meta, and null rod hurts tezz especially
2. It's still moderatly effective against Storm, by cutting off the quick mana from lotus and moxen
3. I already have null rods, and wouldn't be able to get them in time for the tournament I plan to play this deck in.


ALSO

Inky's there basically as a way to cheat another creature, and as a defense against any removal.  But i'll test with sphinx and see how I like it.





My main problem is the SB.  what should go in it?

[zeus-online]

Well thoughtseize can grab qasali pridemage, which is kinda annoying for oath i'd imagine. All-over i don't think it matters all that much which one you play.

[voltron00x]

Well thoughtseize can grab qasali pridemage, which is kinda annoying for oath i'd imagine. All-over i don't think it matters all that much which one you play.

Two life tends not to be particularly relevant, while not being able to take Meddling Mage, Pridemage, or Trygon Predator can result in you losing the game.  Why take the chance?  The onyl time I'd suggest Duress over Thoughtseize if you're doing a 3/2 or 3/3 split, or if your meta is infested with Misdirection.

When I started playing the deck, I was a fan of Negate, but I've grown much less so over time, mostly as Shop decks have faded.  I'm just not sure it's needed when additional Duress / Thoughtseize effects are better suited to the current meta (although admittedly you need to watch the number of blue spells to support FoW / Misdirection).

Also, I understand the theory behind Yawg Will, but in your list you run so few mana sources that 2B is going to tap you out quite often, and you can't just dump moxes and lotus back into play because you're on the Null Rod plan...

[honestabe]

2x Hellkite Overlord
1x Magister Spinx

2x Negate
4x Force of Will
1x Misdirection
1x Ancestarl Recall
1x Brainstorm
4x Impulse
1x Lim Dul's Vault
2x Lat Nam's Legacy
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Crop Rotation

1x Demonic Tutor
1x Time Walk
1x Gaea's Blessing
1x Regrowth
1x Tinker
4x Thoughseize

4x Oath of Druids

1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Ruby
1x Lotus Petal
3x Null Rod

4x Forbidden Orchard
3x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine
2x Polluted Delta
2x Flooded Strand
3x Underground Sea
2x Tropical Island

SIDEBOARD

3x Pithing Needle
3x Tormod's Crypt
2x Empyrial Archangel
3x Oxidize
3x Echoing Truth
1x Inkwell Leviathan



I got rid of Yawg's Will for regrowth, dumped one on the Lim Dul's for an impulse, which is easier to cast, and can dig for a force if need be.
I also cut a negate for a lotus petal and a wasteland for a Underground Sea

14 blue spells to pitch to force/misdirection is plenty
I also switched main deck inkwell to magister spinx, due to inky's lack of synergy with Hellkite.
The sb'd Platinum angel became inky, in case my opponent want to run removal.

Although my list call for 3 null rods, I may (for lack of the proper cards) be running 2 null rod and 1 chalice, which I beleive still gets the job done.
Same goes for the thoughtseizes being duress, but I'm going to try and borrow them.