Mistform Ultimatus and Mana Echoes

[LotusHead]

If Mana Echoes is in play, and I cast Mistform Ultimatus, do I get lots and lots and lots of colorless mana?

Mistform is every creature type, including Wall and Legend (Goblin, Sliver, Myr, etc).

As I understand it, Mana Echoes will give you mana for a creature you brought into play, assuming it has a creature type (ie, not with morph creatures).

Thanks in advance. (yes, I am building a deck with these two cards in it.  Need a solid answer from the experts.)

[riggy]

It depends on what else you have in play.

In the situation where you only have the Ultimus, it only shares types with itself, so only one mana is added.

[Limbo]

Mana echoes states:

Whenever a creature comes into play, you may add to your mana pool for each creature you control that shares a creature type with it.

Mana echoes does not check the number of creature types that are shared. There is only one check with two possible answers for every creature you control:

Check: Does this creature share one or more creature type(s) with the creature coming into play.

Answers possible: True / False

The amount of mana you gain is the number of true's you get from appying this check to all creatures in play you control. Remember that your Mistform Ultimus already is in play when this trigger is put on the stack, so the ultimus will yield mana itself (just as a flametongue kavu will kill itself when it is the only creature in play when it comes into play). This is the same as with coat of arms, in that a mistform ultimus will not gain +2/+2 from a creature with types cleric zombie.

Edit: Remember also, that when gaining mana, it is all or nothing. So you get either zero mana or the maximum amount, you cannot choose a number in between.

[LotusHead]

So Zombie Clerics will produce 1 mana only, right? If so, got it. Thanks! (now to find the old threads where I got my misinformation!)

[Jebus]

So Zombie Clerics will produce 1 mana only, right? If so, got it. Thanks! (now to find the old threads where I got my misinformation!)

When a Zombie Cleric comes into play, you get 1 mana for each creature in play that shares a type with it.

If it shares types with only 1 creature, then it gets one mana.  If there are other creatures that share a type with it, whether it be zombie, cleric, or both, then you get mana for each creature that shares a type.

Keep in mind, it shares types with itself, so you'll get at least 1 mana.