Beginning of Upkeep

[LotusHead]

My pet deck has a Bringer of the White Dawn in play, as well as an Energy Chamber.  Both have beginning of upkeep effects (put artifact from graveyard into play, put charge counters on artifacts or +1/+1 on artifact creatures.  My opponent has Braids, Cabal Minion in play to make me sac stuff (to spice things up).

Can I put a Pentad Prism into play via Briner, then put a charge counter on it, then sac a useless land?

I belive so. but a situation similar to this was involved, and my opponent really thought that something got in the way.

Hopefully this example will clear things up.

I was under the impression that "Beginning of upkeep" effect simply get thrown on the stack in any order I want, then play resumes as normal.

[Trollstorm]

You would put Braids' ability on the stack, then Energy Chamber's and then Whitey's ability.

Whitey's ability would resolve putting the Prism into play, then EC's ability, putting a charge counter on the Prism, then you Sac to Braids.


The problem here is not what you can put on the stack, but if you can. What I mean is, can you activate EC's ability if you do not have a legal target(intended target) in play when you announce the ability? This is something I am unsure of.

[combo_dude]

Not any order you want - it follows the APNAP rule (Active Player, Non-Active Player) so your triggered abilities are stacked first (in whatever order you want), then Braids is stacked (and therefore resolves first).

Not sure about how the timing works for targetting though. So you could put Chamber on the stack, then Bringer, so you would sac a land, then bring Prism back and put a counter on it (I think) - that's why, for example, in Extended, for Aluren mirrors, people tried to go off in each others' upkeep step; it meant that their effects would stack last (and therefore resolve first).

[Rebel7284]

the problem is that energy chamber targets and you need to choose that target at the time it triggers.  At this time pentad prism is still in the graveyard and thus is not a legal target.

[DEA]

short story
you sac to braids
you bring back a target artifact from yard or put charge counter on artifact ALREADY in play, doesn't matter which one happens first

[Jebus]

Since there appears to be some confusion and conflictions...

You first place the abilities on the stack in Active Player, Non-Active Player order.  So, you being the active player, stack your triggers as you chose.  You must chose targets when the triggers go on the stack.  You can target your Prism with the Bringer, but won't be able to target the Prism with the Energy Chamber, as it is not in play at the moment.  You can only target one of your artifacts already in play.

So, Briads resolves first, causing you to sac, then the others resolve in the order of your choice.

[LotusHead]

So the Beginning of Upkeep stuff goes on the stack, and targets for those triggers must be anounced then, and hence usually only affect stuff already in play at the beginning of upkeep? It's a targeting thing.

Thanks!

EDIT: You CAN target stuff with Energy Chamber, just put a Charge counter on itself.  That is usually pretty useless though.

[Matt]

Not if you have Power Conduit, it's not useless! And who would play Energy Chamber without Power Conduit? A FIEND.