My Sui took 2nd

[doylehancock]

I played in a type one tournament last night.  First place gets a PSA 8 Unlimited Ancestral Recall.  Second place gets a pack of Italian Legends.  It was at Gamer’s Den in Corpus Christi, TX.  Fifteen dollars to enter, you were allowed 4 proxies, and 30 people showed up.  
I was planning on running Hulk but I could get the volcanic islands.  I ended up deciding on running my favorite deck Suicide black.  I named my deck flying Tee bag Sui.  I gave it this name because the hypnotic specters are the flying, Negator is the Tee Bag(because if he comes into play your getting it on the chin), and sui because it’s a suicide black deck.  Here is my build:

4   Phrexian Negator
3   Nantuko Shade
1   Withered Wretch
4   Hypnotic Specter
4   Sarcomancy
16   Creatures

2   Powder Keg
4    Hymn to Tourach
4    Sinkhole
4    Duress
14  Control

1   Necropotence
1   Demonic Tutor
1   Yawgmoth’s Will
1   Zuran Orb
4   Other Spells

16   Swamps
4    Dark Ritual
3   Wasteland
1    Strip Mine
1    Black Lotus (proxie)
1   Mox Jet (proxie)
26  Mana Sources

3    Dystopia
3    Contagion
3    Null Rod (1 proxie)
3   Defense Grid
1   Powder Keg
1   Wasteland
1   Withered Wretch
15   Sideboard

Now you are probably wondering what the hell I am thinking with only running 3 shades or running any Sarcomancys at all.  Well when the deck started out over a month ago I read Legend’s Primer on themanadrain.com in there Legend says Nantuko Shade is the second best creature in type one and Sarcomancy’s are horrible.  I agreed so at first I ran 4 Shades and 4 Flesh Reevers.  Later on I read about the Nantuko Shade conspiracy on starcitygames.com and I agree that the Nantuko Shade is kind of mana hungry but I still think it’s a great card.  After reading about the Nantuko Shade conspiracy I decide to run 4 shades and 4 Sarcomancy’s taking out the flesh reevers.  This way I am following both deck ideas.  Then about a week before the tourney I read the article called my suicide deck is wretched on starcitygames.com this gave me the idea about not running Planar Void and running 3 Withered Wretch.  Obviously three is too many so I ended up taking out my 1 planar void in my side board and 1 Nantuko Shade main deck and putting 1 Withered Wretch in each.  After play testing this way seemed to work pretty well.  I have used a lot of sources to make my deck but I would say the main source was Legend’s Primer.  
   My suicide deck did a lot better than I thought it would, I played the best magic of my life until game 3 of the finals.  My final record was 11-2 and took second place Hardie’s record was 12-2-2.  That’s life but I do regret that move.  Because of the good turn out the Gamer’s Den will start having power tournaments once every month or two.  They are hoping to get more people in the tourneys as well as I.  The address for the Gamer’s Den is 6410 Weber Rd Ste 7 Corpus Christi, TX and the phone number is 361-853-5337.  The Den is great magic store and if you are in the area I suggest you stop by I moved down to Corpus about a year ago and this is the best shop in the area.


I changed it from a tourney report to just a deck list.  I am in the process of retyping the tourney report.  Again sorry for making the first report suck.

[Methuselahn]

This report was incredibly difficult and boring to read.  It lacked any detailed information.  Example:  your first round was against someone who played duals and attacked.  You really need to write more than 'i played some swamps and then some null rods and then I smashed face with Negator,gg." to keep your reader's attention.

[Kowal]

In addition there was a total lack of clarity.  No opponent archetypes were given, and the organization was poor.  Sorry to totally shit on your cereal, but Methuselahn is right.

[Danzig]

:shock:
Tom makes San Antonio players look bad.
Corpus Christi is still the suck.
I miss Texas.

[doylehancock]

In addition there was a total lack of clarity.  No opponent archetypes were given, and the organization was poor.  Sorry to totally shit on your cereal, but Methuselahn is right.

your both right I just typed it upreal quick I will reedit it later sry

[Zherbus]

Moved. Please see this thread for more detail.[/color]

[doomhed]

this tourney report makes baby jesus cry

[pox_reborn]

Did you think about running chalice's? I remeber there being a chalice black discussion a while ago before the Tmd Rehaul. It helps lockdown the opponent and put them in a position where chalice will affect you little because of the diversified mana costs.

Also condsider saving up for chains of mephostoleses (Sp?) later on. That is what really is the bomb against the control decks.

One last thing, YOU need night's whisper if your going to continue running suicide black. A main problem witht the deck before was it always spending up it's gas and proceed to topdeck into useless stuff. Night's helps keep the engine going.

[AngryPheldagrif]

Did you think about running chalice's? I remeber there being a chalice black discussion a while ago before the Tmd Rehaul. It helps lockdown the opponent and put them in a position where chalice will affect you little because of the diversified mana costs.

Also condsider saving up for chains of mephostoleses (Sp?) later on. That is what really is the bomb against the control decks.

One last thing, YOU need night's whisper if your going to continue running suicide black. A main problem witht the deck before was it always spending up it's gas and proceed to topdeck into useless stuff. Night's helps keep the engine going.

Anyways, in my tiny tiny micron of experience playtesting, I've found Night's Whisper simply a dead spot in my hand where I wanted a business spell. When you want to open your first 3 turns with something like Duress, Sinkhole, Negator, or whatnot, casting Night's Whisper was like Time Walking myself, giving my opponent time to stabilize and recover from my assault. Later in the game it helps, but I'd usually draw a business spell and a mana-source, making it fairly redundant in a deck that wins purely by way of savage assault on the board, hand, and life-total. The slight card advantage yielded makes it the positive equivalent of Hymn to Tourach. The difference is that Hymn hurts your opponent, while this hurts you. Not worth it.

-Dan

[doylehancock]

Did you think about running chalice's? I remeber there being a chalice black discussion a while ago before the Tmd Rehaul. It helps lockdown the opponent and put them in a position where chalice will affect you little because of the diversified mana costs.

Also condsider saving up for chains of mephostoleses (Sp?) later on. That is what really is the bomb against the control decks.

One last thing, YOU need night's whisper if your going to continue running suicide black. A main problem witht the deck before was it always spending up it's gas and proceed to topdeck into useless stuff. Night's helps keep the engine going.

Actually I dont like night whispers.  My deck runnign necro speeds it up enough.  I have been working on this deck for a while and it works great as is.  I didnt run chalice cuz even if there is diversified mana costs it is still stopping me from playing spells and defense grids work better in my meta game.  I was going to run chains of meta but I desided on more creature control in sideboard.  

I normally run engineered plagues in my sideboard but I decided not to run them in this tourney and I placed second.  I have tried many versions of my sui but for my meta game this is without a doubt the best one I could run.  I just wish I owned the jet, lotus and 3rd null rod but thats why it was a proxie tourney.  

What did you think of my creatures?  In my meta game it works but still alot of people say drop the sarcomancys.  

thanks for the feedback

[pox_reborn]

Well if you don't use night's whisper and relying on redundancy than you should add fetchlands so you topdeck much better in late game situations.

or of course you could run the best black card of all time a.k.a POX  

[doylehancock]

Well if you don't use night's whisper and relying on redundancy than you should add fetchlands so you topdeck much better in late game situations.

or of course you could run the best black card of all time a.k.a POX  

I use to use fetch lands but I didnt like how much damage I took.  I know you will disagree but when I ran it with fetch it was too much life loss.  I just quit using them and my deck worked great.  My deck is pretty much perfect.  I have a pox deck but pox isnt what it use to.  I dont think you run sui cuz sui doesnt run pox and very rarely does it run fetch lands

[AngryPheldagrif]

Well if you don't use night's whisper and relying on redundancy than you should add fetchlands so you topdeck much better in late game situations.

or of course you could run the best black card of all time a.k.a POX  

The land count is low enough already, and fetches let the deck fall victim to random stupidity like Stifle and Blood Moon (which seem trivial, but you will inevitably lose games). The whole reason the deck doesn't use Night's Whisper and the like is because there should be no effective lategame. The only lategame you ever get is disadvantageous most of the time, as your business spells lose effectiveness as the game goes on. Your only real advantage is in the higher quality of your creatures, and that is only really an advantage versus things like Fish, whereas many decks will smash your face in with topdecked Juggies, etc.

-Dan

[Edit]:

you run sui cuz sui

  I don't get it. English por favor?

[Sarcasmic]

I dont think you run sui cuz sui doesnt run pox and very rarely does it run fetch lands

My best translation: "No good sir, I do not believe that you play Suicide.  For if you did, you would know that Suicide does not use Pox or Fetchlands."

[pox_reborn]

No, I know the difference between pox and suicide
  = jokingly/ not to be taken seriously/sarcasm
I'll be more clearer next time.

@ AngryPheldagrif

Maybe my approach is too controllish for a deck like suicide black. I just figured that you get an explosive start but then need to capitalize on it by following with the threats. Night's whisper was just a suggestion although I had no real playtesting to make a definite conclusion. It seems like a good inclusion on paper but I guess most of the time it just isnt worth it.

[pox_reborn]

No, I know the difference between pox and suicide
  = jokingly/ not to be taken seriously/sarcasm
I'll be more clearer next time.

@ AngryPheldagrif

Maybe my approach is too controllish for a deck like suicide black. I just figured that you get an explosive start but then need to capitalize on it by following with the threats. Night's whisper was just a suggestion although I had no real playtesting to make a definite conclusion. It seems like a good inclusion on paper but I guess most of the time it just isnt worth it.