[Single-Card Discussion] Forgotten jank now tech?

[Rane]

There are two cards actually that I see a lot of promise in.

[card]Ancient Runes[/card] and [card]Citadel of Pain[/card]

Ancient Runes seems the more promising I think.  Against some decks this can be a great clock to SB in.  Decks like Sligh would have more use for this but I just want to talk about the card in general.  Null Rod is great at stopping people using their artifacts, but this punishes people for using them.  Think Boil vs Scald.  I'm not saying this is better than Rod, but I do like it.

Citadel of Pain.  I don't know about this.  Some games it seems people always leave their mana open and use it all at the end of your turn.  Others it seems they use it all every turn.  If nothing this hurts people who like to leave mana open for reactionary spells.  I think it's a TAD expensive at 3cc for what it does, but I'm not sure.

Please discuss.

[Jacob Orlove]

Moved to newbie.

[Rane]

Care to explain lol?

I'm just wonderin if these cards could be employed.  Just becuase the word 'Sligh' was in my post doesn't mean this should go to the newbie forum lol.

[Trollstorm]

1. You just ended both of your sentences with "lol".

2. I'll take 1 damage per turn for my C-lo.

3. Control has answers for red enchantments. If I'm going to be playing a red enchantment that costs 2R, it'd better be a silver .45, rather than a silver .22.

[Bram]

Care to explain lol?

Yes.

On Runes:

I'm not saying this is better than Rod, but I do like it.

On Citadel:

(...) Others it seems they use it all every turn. If nothing this hurts people who like to leave mana open for reactionary spells. I think it's a TAD expensive at 3cc for what it does, but I'm not sure.

On a meta level, your post basically said:

"I found two cards, widely regarded as useless, that got me thinking. I believe one of them is suboptimal to an established artifact hoser, and the other one is probably too expensive and may well not do anything at all."

While you're correct in assuming that some people might find it interesting to discuss this and possibly find a deck to use it and and/or couteract your reasoning, the lack of content makes your post unsuitable for the Open Vintage forum. This is not a punishment, merely a relocation to a more appropriate place. Please note that this was a move, not a lock. We even edited out a uncalled-for flame directed towards you. Also: I'm glad you at least seem to think this is amusing, because I for one am certainly not 'lolling'.

[Rane]

Fair enough Bram.  Like I said I didn't necessarily think they were gonna be the new thing, I was just wondering if anyone had tried them out.  I liked the idea that they punished people instead of hindering them.

The only reason I lol'ed is because within 3 minutes of posting my first post on TMD in a while, it was moved to the Newbie forum, sorry if it sounded disrespectful.

[[supa_t(im)]]

For Ancient Runes I think that Null Rod would generally be the best choice.  However, if you are going up against a lot of Affinity, it might be a good punisher.  Of course, you should run both it and Null Rod to effectively hose the deck.

Citadel of pain would be a more metagame choice I think.  It might be useful against 4cC since the deck tends to leave mana open every turn.  However, I don't think I'd use it unless my meta was completely full of Control.

[BrokeMagicGuy]

I'm just curious as to why this post has stayed open, while the one talking about the possibility of using ruination was closed?  I mean, both posts have had replies clearly showing why the cards they are trying to discuss are inferior to others in use.

I don't mean to rant or anything, but im just curious as to why two posts talking with generally the same content are treated differently.

[Bram]

I'd like to furder adress the point you brought up.

Two reasons why this post remained open (up to now) as opposed to the Ruination thread:
- In the Ruination thread is was quickly established that there is a hoser that's strictly superior to the one mentioned. The thread's initiator's question got answered, and the thread got locked to, amongst other things, avoid flamewars. In this case however, the superior hosers suggested are really functionally different enough for me to understand why people would consider them.
- Moderators are humans. They all follow the same group of rules they need to enforce but they may be have slightly differing interpretations of them regardless. It's like the law, really. There's judgement calls involved. Those judgement calls may lead to questions and sometimes to irritation, but fortunately this is not a democracy so it's really not open to debate. And on that note:

Two reasons why you should drop this issue RIGHT now:
- The Rules, or more specifically: http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=299975#299975
- Issues about moderation should be dealt with via PM. Posts like yours lead to off-topicness and it's really not your place to question mod calls. Moderator critique usually doesn't make for a very good first post, you know.

[rocknrossi]

I think better forgotten tech would be putting a magus of the unseen in the side board of mono blue decks. It serves a much better purpose with a reasonable casting cost.At least Magus can swing a round with someones collussus or steal and blecher and go off on a player and get around lockdowns with the evil sphere. That being side red as color especially by itself is almost completely dead as far as things are concerned. It is slowly reaching the suicide black status not to say people should stop testing it but, right now those cards casting is not met by most decks mana base easily and there are better answers.

This is hugely off-topic to the point of thread hijacking. Proceed with caution.  -Bram

[freakish777]

For Ancient Runes I think that Null Rod would generally be the best choice.  However, if you are going up against a lot of Affinity, it might be a good punisher.  Of course, you should run both it and Null Rod to effectively hose the deck.

No, Ancient Runes is horrible in comparison to Energy Flux.  If for some reason Null Rod isn't enough, Energy Flux should be your back up.  Ancient Runes doesn't prevent them from using their artifacts by itself, where as Energy Flux most likely will.