storm giver

[Matt]

Name
4UU
Instant
The next instant or sorcery spell you play this turn has storm.

Simple, but potentially VERY powerful. IS it another Mind's Desire, or more like Time Stop?

[Matt]

Current wording:

Whirlwind Wellspring
4UU
Sorcery
The next instant or sorcery spell you play this turn has storm.

[Ephraim]

My biggest concern for this regards how it would interact with a spell that already has Storm. Would it then put two copies of itself on the stack for each spell played this turn? Also, there's the matter of using this in conjunction with something like Shrapnel Blast. Any two spells followed by this and Shrapnel Blast leads to twenty damage. Yes, this has a high cost, but decks designed to abuse Storm are prepared to generate high spell counts with a minimum of mana. I definitely think that this is more of a Mind's Desire than a Time Stop.

[Marco]

Interesting. I'm not sure how this is like Time Stop? Maybe you could have it grant storm to an instant or sorcery spell that doesn't already have storm?

[Shadow-Walker]

I think this could come down to 2UU.  At that cost there may be occasional brokenness but sometimes its just dead.
EDIT: If it were a sorcery i think thats a fair cost.  But since its an instant i think 3UU is more appropriate.

[Ephraim]

No! This can't be reduced in cost. It is already broken as-is. Mind's Desire is a {U} sorcery that often wins games on its own by merit of generating multiple free spells - but those spells are dictated by the random order of your deck. On the other hand, while this requires you to have the spell you want to Storm in hand, it has guaranteed consistency. There's a reason why the spells with Storm generate relatively weak effects for their costs (ie: if they didn't have Storm, they'd be overcosted.) Giving Storm to a spell that is costed as though it didn't have Storm (Shrapnel Blast, Serum Visions, Impulse, Swords to Plowshares) may well be broken at [almost] any cost. is an appropriate place for this to start, but if the cost goes anywhere, it should increase, not decrease.

[Norm4eva]

502.30b If a spell has multiple instances of storm, each triggers separately.

So yeah, if you give a spell Storm twice, it triggers for each instance.  Granted it's a bad two-card combo but assuming you had both this card and Tendrils of Agony (and a retarded amount of mana) you can cut the number of Storm spells needed to kill in half.  Since it's an Instant it could also be played off Mind's Desire, between copies of Desire at that...
All that gak aside the card itself is simple enough.  6cc is incredibly restrictive, obviously.  Fine with me.

[Shadow-Walker]

The total mana cost of both spells will often be more than desire and dont underestimate the cost of an additional card.  Storm does nothing without other spells and this does even less. It doesnt have storm itself so its far easier to counter.  With anything above a very minimal storm count the randomness of mind's desire isnt such an issue.  Often it hits what you need and a number of less efficient but still viable ways to get a kill.  Yes desire has an effect that would suck without storm but the nature of the card is far more breakable than this.  The biggest issue is playing this on an opponent's turn and I think left as an instant it will much more difficult to balance.

[Jacob Orlove]

I think this is *probably* balanced as is. It makes any counterspell into a stifle, which is huge.

[Upinthe]

With stuff like High Tide, Force of Will, and Sapphire Medallion around, I can't believe this is an instant. Psionic Blast could easily kill someone outright, and of course Ancestral Recall would be crazy. Even simple cards like [card]Metamorphose[/card] would quickly become silly.

[Matt]

When I said Time Stop, I meant "looks incredibly powerful but is actually well-costed."

Any two spells followed by this and Shrapnel Blast leads to twenty damage.

This is why it's a bad idea to print cards that give a mana boost on the same turn (Grim Monolith is bad, but Basalt Monolith is good. Mox Emerald is bad, but Llanowar Elves are good). As long as we don't print many/any of those broken cards, the play you mention is going to cost 5UUR, plus at least two mana for additional spells (I made it a sorcery so you can't piggyback the opponent's spells).

You know what I realized? I actually designed a card which is bad in"normal" multiplayer, but really really good in Emperor.

[Jacob Orlove]

As a sorcery, this is completely fine, althoug possibly underpowered.

[Matt]

Better safe than sorry. Anyone got a name?

[Matt]

Bump.

[Ephraim]

I suggest it be called, "Cyclonic Wellspring" or "Whirlwind Wellspring." The latter has nice alliteration to it.

[Malhavoc]

Just imagine.. they cast a deadly tendrils at you. You answer with this and force of will... I COUNTER ALL OF YOUR TENDRILS! Awesome!  

[Matt]

Twenty-four hour clock.

[Matt]

Closed and added.