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Alright, this is my first ever card that I make, so bear with me if it sucks...  I know it's not the greatest selling technique, but...  Vampire Spawn Creature -- Vampire 1BB 2/1 Fear When *this* comes into play, target opponent discards a card, and you lose 1 life. When *this* deals combat damage to a player, discard X cards. Target opponent must discard X cards. Current Wording:
Hideous Specter
Creature -- Specter
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2/1
Fear
Whenever *this* deals combat damage to an opponent, you may discard any number of cards. If you do, that player discards that many cards.
I also briefly thought of modifying the CitP to: When *this* comes into play, you may pay 4 life. Target opponent then discards a card. |
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2004, 09:55:35 am » |
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This doesn't seem like a vampire, more like a specter.
And it seems too good to be uncommon if you ask me.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2004, 09:56:38 am » |
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This ability should be reworded I think:
"When *this* deals combat damage to a player, discard X cards. Target opponent must discard X cards"
"When *this* deals combat damage to a player, choose and discard X cards. Then target opponent discards a card for each card you succesfully discarded"
Otherwise I could declare to discard 10 cards when I have none, or even play the few cards I have in hand in response, and still make the opponent discard his whole hand.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2004, 09:58:45 am » |
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Otherwise I could declare to discard 10 cards when I have none, or even play the few cards I have in hand in response, and still make the opponent discard his whole hand. No, you couldn't. |
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2004, 10:00:18 am » |
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Otherwise I could declare to discard 10 cards when I have none, or even play the few cards I have in hand in response, and still make the opponent discard his whole hand. No, you couldn't. I'm not totally sure, but I have my doubts about it. Especially for the "cast spell in response" trick...  Having a card, declaring to discard it, then in response cast it, but "X" has been already set to one, and my opponent is still forced to discard a card |
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2004, 10:01:35 am » |
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I think that the correct wording might be, "Whenever ~this~ deals combat damage to an opponent, you may discard any number of cards. If you do, that player discards that many cards."
I agree that it really seems more like a specter than like a vampire. Also, the comes-into-play ability seems kind of random. The card would be simpler and more reasonable with just the combat damage ability.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2004, 10:01:56 am » |
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I'm not totally sure, but I have my doubts about it. Especially for the "cast spell in response" trick... Having a card, declaring to discard it, then in response cast it, but "X" has been already set to one, and my opponent is still forced to discard a card How are you playing cards in the middle of the resolution of an ability? I think that the correct wording might be, "Whenever ~this~ deals combat damage to an opponent, you may discard any number of cards. If you do, that player discards that many cards."
That works too, and is a little cleaner. The X would need to be removed from the templating. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2004, 10:02:10 am » |
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I think that the correct wording might be, "Whenever ~this~ deals combat damage to an opponent, you may discard any number of cards. If you do, that player discards that many cards." Ok. This is definitely correct. |
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2004, 10:04:24 am » |
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Alright, I agree with you all... it has become a Specter.
Ephraim: originally, it was just the combat ability, I just decided to tack on the other one at the end... if you guys think it's better without the CitP, then I would follow.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2004, 10:07:34 am » |
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Just to clarify, my argument wasn't that the templating wasn't wrong. The templating was indeed wrong.
However, it wouldn't allow you to do anything silly.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2004, 10:08:28 am » |
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I didn't even see that the first time.  Alright, changed that. Just out of curiousity, what was wrong with the templating? Just the X part? |
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2004, 10:11:33 am » |
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I didn't even see that the first time. Alright, changed that. Just out of curiousity, what was wrong with the templating? Just the X part? Actually, thinking about this again, it probably wasn't really "wrong". But, I do like Ephraim's suggestion better. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2004, 01:20:36 pm » |
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CIP discard AND fear is already too strong on a 3-mana 2-power creature. This also has the ridiculously overpowered discard ability. You really need to power this down.
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2004, 01:27:28 pm » |
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Alright, Jacob, took out the CitP (and left a suggestion behind).
Any more suggestions? Still too strong?
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2004, 03:46:36 pm » |
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I like this now.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2004, 06:20:50 pm » |
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Elegant and neat card. I like it. One thing: Would it be worth replacing Fear with Flying, to make it fit in with all the other discard Specters?
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2004, 10:00:43 pm » |
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Flying would probably mean it'd have to go up to 2BB.
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2004, 09:17:14 am » |
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How about this then?
Hideous Specter
Creature -- Specter
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2/1
Flying
Whenever *this* deals combat damage to an opponent, you may pay X life and discard X cards. If you do, that player discards X cards.
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2004, 09:22:39 am » |
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All Specters but the Dread Specters fly, but I really liked it if it had fear. I suppose it doesn't matter, if you guys think flying is better, then it shall change. Hell, have flying and fear...  Superflous though. Anyhow, Nazdakka, if the creature turns out to be too strong, I can add the X life part, but for now, I'll leave it like this. So, can this be the black uncommon creature needed? |
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2004, 09:24:40 am » |
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That's drifting away from simplicity and doesn't really seem necessary to me, Nazdakka.
Razvan, I agree that flying would be more appropriate, but I also think there's nothing inappropriate about fear. Also, giving it flying and increasing its mana cost hardly makes it bad. Being able to nuke your opponent's hand as effectively as it can, it'd still be better than Abyssal Specter, even at the same cost.
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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2004, 09:48:17 am » |
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Well, alright, so it'll be either a Flyer for 2BB, or a Fear critter for 1BB. If it's a flyer, I will make it a 2/2, or a 3/1 (I really like it then). |
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2004, 11:04:49 am » |
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3/1 would be a tiny bit too good, since 3-power flyers in limited tend to cost more like 5 mana. 2/2 is fine, though.
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2004, 01:22:10 pm » |
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Err... 24h clock? *nervous* I have decided to let it have fear. It's not a huge deal to change it to flying, but the Hideous part makes it more "fearful". Or just change it to a 2/2 flyer, but still... |
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