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« on: October 29, 2004, 03:24:46 pm »

OathStill... The deck is what i think is the next evolution of Landstill.  Originally i was running U/G i posted that list a couple of days a go but quickly the deck began to run white as a third color.  This gave me solid removal in the form of Swords and another win condition in Decree of Justice.

Decklist
4 Oath of Druids
4 Standstill
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Spirit of the Night
2 Decree of Justice
4 FOW
4 Mana Drain
2 Misdirection
1 Recall
1 Time Walk
2 Swords
1 Gaea's Blessing
4 Brainstorm
1 Lotus
3 Moxen U/G/W
4 Forbidden Orchard
3 Fetchland
3 Tundra
4 Tropical Island
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Faerie Conclave
3 Island

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3 Ground Seal
1 Pristine Angel
1 Platinum Angel
1 Iridescant Angel
4 Naturalize
2 Control Magic
3 Energy Flux

Card Choices
Oath and Standstill- The key components of the deck.
DOJ- Win condition: although anti-synergistic with Oath it is very good after a Mana Drain or under Standstill.
FOW and Mana Drain- Neccesary counters.
Misdirection- I opted for this over Mana Leak as I think this will be better in an Oath of Druids heavy field.
Akroma and SoTN- The main win conditions Stephen can explain why these are the best creatures.
Swords- Good vs Oath first game, and good against aggro.

SB Card Choices
The only thing that really sticks out is Naturalize.  Not only does it kill Artifacts but it kills Oath, Chains, B2B in addition.

Mana Base
I chose not to run strips or Loa as i wanted to still maintain a higher number of Islands.

Cards I cut from old Landstill
Main thing is the Disk I just don't feel it has much of a place anymore and is replace better by Oath.

So there is the list tell me what you guys think i would really like to have your imput.  Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2004, 02:58:37 am »

Hmmmm what when U make tokens with F.Orchard under Standstill and attack with Mishra's Factory? I know U have others manlands but for me this has no sense. U have to choose one: play Oath or Landstill.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2004, 10:18:30 am »

The deck can play 2 different ways when it is under the still tapping of forbidden orchard isn't done much.  When the still is gone you wanna drop oath and give the a token.  Ideally you can drop a first or second turn oath and follow thatr with still with orchard in play.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2004, 04:42:25 pm »

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U have to choose one: play Oath or Landstill.


I agree, I have played both of these decks for decent amounts of time and feel that what you have here is a sub-par version of landstill/oath.

Using the standstill draw engine is a good thing if you are running a deck that functions superiorly underneath is, however this deck lacking in board sweepers will be faced in many situations with not being able to get its draw engine online, because standstill, if played, would benefit the opponent. At that point you hope that oath can save you. However your draw engine is stalled out, and you are in a mad topdeck mode to find answers, find oath, and keep control of the game. EWWW!

Your deck is a jumble of kill conditions and counters that have very little synergy. I would first pick a theme, either landstill or oath. Then rebuild, and retool the deck. After that post again and we can have something to critique.

-Good Luck
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2004, 11:03:28 pm »

Pretty much the only advantage you have over regular Oath is Swords to Plowshares. In return for Standstill, you give up Intuition's amazing tutoring power and instant-speed card draw, as well as Mana Leak. Oath is the new GAT; If you wouldn't play standstill in GAT, why would you run it in this?
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2004, 10:15:56 am »

First of all Hi-Val I don't run Mana Leak because I feel if everyone is playing oath with 14 counters that Misdirection is more helpful.  I dont like AK/intuition becuause it costs alot of mana and is a 2 card investment for 3 cards +1 card advantage.  Standstill is +2 card advantage and when Standstill is in play an oath for me is great as is any number of manlands or DOJ
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2004, 11:46:15 am »

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First of all Hi-Val I don't run Mana Leak because I feel if everyone is playing oath with 14 counters that Misdirection is more helpful.  I dont like AK/intuition becuause it costs alot of mana and is a 2 card investment for 3 cards +1 card advantage.  Standstill is +2 card advantage and when Standstill is in play an oath for me is great as is any number of manlands or DOJ


AK/Intuition has two main disadvantages and one disadvantage to standstill. The first advantage is that it can tutor for objects other than the ak to put into your hand (oath), and is instant speed. The second advantage to intuition is that it can be used as card advantage all of the time. The only way standstill is more advantage than intuition is when there are atleast 2-3 manlands in your hand, and the rest are counters to use when the standstill breaks. One of the serious tech problems is accelerating past the other player, which is impossible when moxen and oath break the standstill.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2004, 12:19:17 pm »

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One of the serious tech problems is accelerating past the other player, which is impossible when moxen and oath break the standstill.


He has really hit on a crucial point here. Your game plan has very few cards that interact well together. No to mention that this deck is very prone to falling behind and just staying there.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2004, 12:50:37 pm »

Regular Oath runs 2 Misdirection as well. I am not understanding what you're saying by stating that you cut mana leak and run the same number of MisDs as the mirror and yet you think that's superior. Wumpus really hit it. Intuition/AK gives you card advantage all the time. If you drop Standstill even on a neutral board position, you take risks. Finally, you have a total of five cards that find Oath in a losing situation, versus 14 in regular Oath.
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