The New Evolution of Fish?

[CaptainPlanet.dec]

I always loved Fish. But then I thought, hey, Stasis is a cool card. I could probably use it for insane tempo swings. And wallah, 8Mile.dec was born!


Creatures///12
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Cloud of Fairies
4 Spiketail Hatchling

Lock///7
3 Back to Basics
4 Stasis

Control///8
4 Daze
4 Force of Will

Broken///13
R Ancestral Recall
R Time Walk
3 Impulse
4 Curiosity
4 Brainstorm

Mana///21
R Mox Ruby
R Mox Diamond
2 Volcanic Island
4 Forsaken City
4 Polluted Delta
8 Island

Basically it plays like Fish:

Play a quick threat and swing tempo to your advantage with a well timed B2B or Stasis.

You can do stuff like this against 3Sphere:

Island, Mox Sapphire, Cloud Of Fairies, Curiosity.
Workshop, Trinisphere.
Island, attack, Back to Basics. Good game.

Stuff like this versus Oath:
Island
Forbidden Orchard, Mox, Oath which is Forced/Dazed.

Stuff broken liek this verus control:
Forsaken City, Mox Sapphire, Stasis.

Or even better, against 4CC:
Island
Random Dual, eot Brainstorm
Island
Random Dual, eot Impulse
Island, Back to Basics.


Basically, the gamebreaking Null Rod has been replaced by a game breaking Stasis/Back to Basics. City is used under either of the locks to activate Lavamancer or pay upkeep on stasis.

The deck has pretty good matchups all around.

It's called 8Mile because Back to Basics and Stasis are like Time Walk in most cases, and 8Walk doesn't sound nearly as good.

[pox_reborn]

Your deck has many ways to stall an opposing deck but you have no way to mount an advantage over the game state.

 I may be looking at the deck wrong but I see your deck dropping stasis then using the city to maintain the lock. The opponent goes through his deck accumulating cards while you lose resources every turn. Your creatures will stay locked under a stasis and the stasis actually ends up hurting you rather than helping.

Back to basics doesnt seem to be as effective anymore with crucible running rampant.

Just my thoughts,if I'm wrong feel free to correct me.

[Nova442]

Stasis+deck requiring 1/1's to attack with = nonbo.

Stasis is so, SO bad in this deck.  I am assuming you just forgot that creatures don't untap under stasis :-/

Back to basics is bad because you had to remove half your threats to use it.  Without manlands you only have 12! creatures and they are weak at that.

Suicide Black beats the living crap out of this  

[CaptainPlanet.dec]

Stasis+deck requiring 1/1's to attack with = nonbo.

Stasis is so, SO bad in this deck.  I am assuming you just forgot that creatures don't untap under stasis :-/

Back to basics is bad because you had to remove half your threats to use it.  Without manlands you only have 12! creatures and they are weak at that.

Suicide Black beats the living crap out of this  

Usually I drop Stasis for only a few turns if I have the active lock, then blow it up when I have enough cards that I know I can draw enough. Most of the time I play it for just one turn just for the tempo swing.

Why is Fish bad in T1 right now? Because nonbasics are just not good anymore with Crucible and Strip effects running rampant. Enough decks are running enough duals that Back to Basics would hurt them more then a 2/1 flier.

Maybe I should drop Stasis for Tangle Wire, which can set up the B2B lock easier and let's me attack through it.

[AggressiveDude]

The Problem is there is no way you can abuse Stasis.
1;You don´t have Morphling.
2;You have no way to bounce Stasis eot.
3;You don´t have enough lands to succesfully support Stasis.
4;Your missing the best Card in a Stasis Deck:Gush



Fish is not Tier 1 anymore but I would say that it still is a very good Choice for most metas.
When the Meta is full of WS U/R Fish won´t be a bad choice or if the Meta is full of Oath U/W is a really good choice also both Versions are quite good against the Rest of the Field(Every other Control and Combo Deck).

[Fominian]

Why is Fish bad in T1 right now? Because nonbasics are just not good anymore with Crucible and Strip effects running rampant. Enough decks are running enough duals that Back to Basics would hurt them more then a 2/1 flier.

Maybe I should drop Stasis for Tangle Wire, which can set up the B2B lock easier and let's me attack through it.

The simple reason why fish is bad - is because the decks that it beat effectively, are no longer ran.  Decks that either out race, out beat, or out control it right now replaced them - most have a combination of the three (if not all).  The sad thing with Fish is it was a budget deck, and budget decks have a tendency not to last very long in out format.

As for the Back to Basic principle - all though well placed for today’s Meta, most decks are prepared for it.

And well Stasis - you cannot support it - reasons all ready covered.

The Tangle Wire idea is not bad, but it fades, and you do not have a way to 'revive it'.  Null Rod is probably still one of your best solutions - as well as a personal favorite of mine: Imi Statue (combine that with Tangle Wire and you have some fun )

[Nova442]

Stasis makes the deck WEAKER than the typical choices, that's the point.

It's not a winter orb, where you can just keep swinging.  People have said in the past that Fish cards are like 1/2 cards because of power.  You can't afford to just stall the game for BOTH players because that's giving your opponent time to draw answers.  It's a tempo LOSS to use stasis in that manner.  If you're using it for one turn to basically give your newly cast guys haste, that's card disadvantage that would be better as having MANLANDS.

I will say this again, stasis is BAD in this deck.  It does very little except hurt your deck.  Tangle wire would be better, but it's 3 cost and you *should* be tapping out for your non-existent manlands instead.  Really think about it.  Which is better?  To attack for 2 twice, or attack for 4 once with your creatures and manland?  Attacking with the lands speed up your clock and allow your opponent less TIME to get the mana and cards he needs to win.

Fish is bad right now because slow control is not doing well.  That's the only strategy that Fish has a real advantage over.  With all the 5/3-esque artifact decks out there, not to mention oath and fast combo, it's just a bad deck choice right now.