An alternative to Food Chain: Goblins with black

[giddygorgon]

After numerous testing with FCG I really disliked the fact that I was entirely powerless to stop any kind of combo pre-sideboard.  I had tons of trouble versus storm combo, and versus any sort of Workshop deck.  With that in mind I propose an alternative to Food Chain.
Lands & Other Manas
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Badlands
10x Mountain
3x Swamp
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Ruby
1x Black Lotus
Creatures
4x Goblin Lackey
4x Goblin Piledriver
4x Goblin Warchief
2x Siege-Gang Commander
2x Goblin Sharpshooter
4x Goblin Vandal
Disruption and Other Crazy Stuff
4x Duress
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Chains of Mephistopholes
3x Price of Progress
1x Demonic Tutor
Sideboard
4x Chalice of the Void
4x Null Rod
2x Pyrostatic Pillar
4x Rack and Ruin
1x (Open Slot)

EDIT:
I cut the Biddings and Ankh for Warchiefs. I cut the Pyrostatic Pillars for Chains of Mephistopholes

I know that this looks reallllllly Janky, especially the Patriarch's Bidding, but I have been quite unsatisfied with FCG.  I think that Patriarch's Bidding, if resolved, will singlehandedly win the long games versus control.  During testing, all the pieces of maindeck hate proved to be really useful.  They give this deck a chance game one against Storm combo.  The other thing I have considered is trying out Blood Moon in the sideboard or maindeck, this may be a really good idea, but Blood Moon has been getting worse and worse as people have started to make their manabases "Wasteland Proof".
The need for the disruption in the maindeck has proven itself obvious and I think that this deck is an interesting and fun, possibly competitive.  I thought about putting Wheel of Fortune in the maindeck and would like some opinions on it and the deck in general.

Thanks for any opinions and complaints (as long as they are constructive),

Michael [/b]

[Negator13]

I would cut cut the Ankhs and Bidding's for 4 Warchiefs. You dont have enough goblins as is, and Piledriver gets alot stronger when your other guys have haste. If you really want the Bidding's (which I dont think will ever resolve) you can probably cut a Therapy and a PoP instead.

Why is there no Lotus or Demonic Tutor? Yawg Will could probably do better than Bidding.

[Moxlotus]

Do you find Pyro Pillar beating the hell out of yourself as much as your opponent?

[Cavius The Great]

Pyostatic Pillar seems like it would hurt you more than your opponent. I would substitute them with 4 Lightning Bolt. Either that or like Negator said, 4 Goblin Warchief. The Pillars really does got to go though.

Also, Chains of Mephistopheles would also be something to consider.

[PipOC]

The most strking thing in your sideboarding is the lack of REB, it is an essential tool against blue based control.  And chalice seems quite out of place, really the best you can hope for with it is chalice at 2, but that wipes out 14 cards in your deck, at 1 it takes out more.  As previously stated, Chains seems like a much better choice than pillar.

[giddygorgon]

@ Negator13: This is a very rough list, also in reality I'm completely unpowered with not that many duals even.  I was brainstorming a way to get my 2 unused Biddings into a deck, but I think it is the right call to cut them, so -2 bidding -2 ankh +4 warchief Also Yawgmoth's will might be an interesting sideboard card, the only problem being that the deck is really not broken in any way shape or form so it might kinda suck.

@ Moxlotus: The pyrostatic pillars are mainly there for some sort of a game one plan against storm combo.  I realize that they really hurt me a lot, but I'm not sure if it's a neccesary evil.  They might get cut for Chains of Mephistopholes after additional testing

@ SOS: (answered in my response to MoxLotus) I don't think that the lightning bolts would be all that amazing, mainly because a little bit of random burn would probably not be that great, I think Warchiefs would be better

@pipOC: The reason I have chalice is to set for 0 against storm combo or CS or something like that.  Especially if I decide to cut the Pillar I think these may be quite neccesary to give this deck a shot against storm combo.

Thank you so much for all of your suggestions, this deck is a work in progress so feel free to criticize me all you want!

EDIT:
What do you guys think about, now that we've removed Bidding, either MD or SB Planar void.  This card really really puts the hurt on DeathLong, which I'm thinking is going to be this decks worst matchup.

[Kowal]

Absolutely worthless garbage removed.  Warning issued to DaedMylkman.[/color]

[Cavius The Great]

I would also play with Goblin Vandal rather than Gorrilla Shaman because it's an awesome 1 drop and fuels Goblin Piledriver. Either that or Goblin Tinkerer.

[Fominian]

Nothing for nothing - but adding black to FCG sounds good (on paper - practice is always another story)

However, to be honest I think you should have stopped after the hand hurt and the tutor, as Chains (though nice) really is not needed and could be a dead draw - you have CoTV for combo (not to mention the other fun you can have with it) and null rod.  

I would either replace chains with prospector or add V.Tutor with Matron.

On the note of Shaman - don't get me wrong, he is great and all (has to be to earn his nick ) But have you considered Goblin Tinkerer and/or Goblin Vandal?  They moonlight as a poor shaman, and still they’re there to cheer for the driver under the warchiefs watch (Translate: They are goblins and thus add to the tribal bonuses within the deck).

Those at the very least are things to consider....

[giddygorgon]

At the people who want Vandal over Mox Monkey. Me had a brain fart!  Vandal would indeed be superior in this deck.  If anyone has tested this at all, (I'm curently testing), Would you please post your results and how you changed the deck after the testing?  This would be a great help because I would like to see what you all think instead of me randomly changing things. (About my testing, Some of my MWS opponents have been horrendously bad with the decks they were playing with, E.G a 4cc player casting balance when i had no creatures on the board and less cards in hand and only one more land WTF?)

[M.Solymossy]

^^ haha that's classic that I got quoted.  I feel special now...


anyways... have you ever tried Festering Goblin? the little Black bugger can give more issues to welder-based deck's.

[giddygorgon]

anyways... have you ever tried Festering Goblin? the little Black bugger can give more issues to welder-based deck's.

No, Mainly because I would really need to wreck the base of goblins to include a goblin which sacrifices things for free to make it any good. (siege-gang sacrifices stuff, but usually by the time you can use him effectively, you've already won and dont need to sacrifice festering goblin to deal 2 damage and kill a welder/fishy)

Keep the comments coming along with any testing results!


michael

[Tristal]

Instead of Patriarch's Bidding, I think you should consider Living Death.

[giddygorgon]

Patriarch's Bidding was cut after initial testing because if it ever gets drained, YOU LOSE!

[Cavius The Great]

Patriarch's Bidding was cut after initial testing because if it ever gets drained, YOU LOSE!

You lose? More like 5 mana burn to your opponent. If the opponent can't utilize that mana properly then taking burn is the outcome which happens quite frequently.

[rvs]

Patriarch's Bidding was cut after initial testing because if it ever gets drained, YOU LOSE!

You lose? More like 5 mana burn to your opponent. If the opponent can't utilize that mana properly then taking burn is the outcome which happens quite frequently.

Yeah, the mana is really a downside decks using drains just have to live with, unfortunately.

About the deck: Do you really need 4 duress and 4 therapy? It seems a bit excessive seeing as you are already a slow aggro deck.
I was also wondering about the Chalice in the board. What matchup do you board them in? They seem to just murder your own deck, since you can never hope to get 4 mana consistently fast enough to drop it on 2.

[M]

Demonic Consultation?

And you know, you CAN play combo with R/B gobbos:
Mogg Maniac + Fire Covenant.

[giddygorgon]

Ok, with the whole mana drain the bidding thing, the problem is that if you are playing against any deck, as long as they have no hand they should have some kind of card draw or a threat (exalted angel, memory jar, really anything) that they can put the mana into.  However maybe I will test it some more, the problem is that no one who isnt a retard is going to let it resolve.  

@ RVS: The point of the chalice was to set it for 0 to hurt storm combo.  Also, against oath (played a lot in my meta) cabal therapy is really good.  The whole point of this deck was to disrupt, so I think that running 8 targeted discard spells is not wholey unreasonable.  If anyone has a list which they think is better, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT. (no i dont think this is perfect or even all that amazing at this point so any help with actual card suggestions and testing would be fantastic)