[Article] Top Vintage decklists and info Version 1.1

[BigMac]

Specially since people do not always see that comming and just look at the ammount of mana you have available to actually pay for the arctifact. So they will be glad it doesnt come into play until you welder it in the same turn and they see how bad the not countering the transmute really was.

BTW, my build of TheTinker.deck was slightly different. I chose not to use the CoW strip combo for random wins due to the fact i think it is slowing you down as i see this deck as an aggro deck. I also put in 1 basic mountain and 1 mountain fetcher for a somewhat stabler manabase. This also works well with the brainstorm/fetch combo. That basic mountain saved me many a game where opponent had CoW wasteland online while i was struggling for mana, eventually getting my red for the winning rack and ruin so i could build up my mana again.

But the basics are the same.

Marco

[Grand Inquisitor]

I chose not to use the CoW strip combo for random wins due to the fact i think it is slowing you down

many a game where opponent had CoW wasteland online while i was struggling for mana

Um, yeah.

So anyways, where's that dragon storm deck from Syracuse?  That thing was hot.

[BigMac]

You kinda missed the point. The basics mean you can get passed the CoW lock, while in the other deck you actually need the CoW to have a chance. Most of the time (manascrews happen to every deck) my manabase proved to be very reliable. As well as the speed.

The reason i beat bram btw was because of my brutal deciding game hand. So i dunno which really is better. I just stated what i think is the impact of playing CoW strip effects and not playing them, namely more speed and more reliable manabase.

[orgcandman]

First off, I want to say excellent work. It's nice to have things like these to refer to.

Also, perhaps you, sylvan and jeek could get together and discuss a way of having an automated monthly/bi-montly archetype breakdown that tracks card changes and what the meta looked like. Lists are all well and good, but seeing which decks performed in a specific metagame are very useful as you can then guage what would be best to play.

Also, a regional metagame breakdown monthly/bi-monthly would be especially interesting. Something like:

Code:

Germany:

out of 3 tournaments

1st place decks:
Control Slaver
Cerebral Assassin
Sensei Sensei

2nd place decks:
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Decks that appeared solo:
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would be cool. Especially since sylvan has a lot of regional metagame information, and jeek is the master at automation.

Anyway, awesome job, again.

Thanks,
Aaron

[yespuhyren]

First off, I want to say excellent work. It's nice to have things like these to refer to.

Also, perhaps you, sylvan and jeek could get together and discuss a way of having an automated monthly/bi-montly archetype breakdown that tracks card changes and what the meta looked like. Lists are all well and good, but seeing which decks performed in a specific metagame are very useful as you can then guage what would be best to play.

I can talk to them.  If they want me to help out and the three of us work on some monthly reports, I'd be glad to help out

Jason

[Tash]

Crucible of Worlds - This card is amazing. It lets you recur your wastelands and strip mines to further mana screw your opponents, as when coupled with a karn, you can destroy all their moxes, crypt, and any land they play excluding darksteel citadel.

When you use Karn's ability on a Darksteel Citadel the Citadel dies. Yes it is indestructable but it dies due to SBE's.

Or am I wrong?
You are correct. When a creature is 0/0, it goes to the graveyard, even if it is indestructible.

[yespuhyren]

I want to apologize to people who I told I would go into Dr. Sylvan's February Metagaming article and get information to further make my site more comprehensive

The long and the short is, I'm taking my time to do this, and I don't mind, and I'd love to make this as comprehensive as possible.  As almost everyone knows Dr. Sylvan is the man to go to, as the stats that come out in his articles are incredibly helpful and great.  But when it starts biting into my wallet that is where I will draw the line.

Sorry to anyone disappointed by this, and I will try and start going more in depth about certain decks as soon as I have more time to playtest them.

Jason

[jshields]

Although it is now considered a slightly dated deck, I believe that I have heard somewhere either here or from buddies (which are actually pretty good players) that Parfait may still be a slightly viable decklist.  It would probably fit into the final category, but you may want to try puting it in also.  In addition, what about the 3 color version of Slaver that runs 2 Duress, 1 Demonic Tutor, and 1 Yawgmoth's will over the intuitions?  I forgot its name, but this is a deck that I often run that works pretty well save versus Null Rod

[Disburden]

I think you should add some of those gifts ungiven decklists. Like the recoup/belcher version that shortbus was using awhile back, and Toad's new build using salvagers from recent threads.

Maybe if you want to tackle a biggie you can add that new "Shortbus Battle"of wits deck  

This list is great, the site is a great resource and currently on my favorite links so I can always check it out in a flash.

Nice work!

[Revvik]

Shortbus made a Battle of Wits deck?  Insanity.

[Disburden]

yeah the list was posted on the open forum and was under the name"another gifts ungiven deck" I think, or something to that nature. Anyway after people continuesly saying the deck sucked and it was a joke I think the thread was closed, because I cant find it anywhere. I can post the list if you want:

Short bus battle:

Creatures  
3   Academy Rector    
1   Auriok Salvagers    
4   Birds of Paradise    
1   Darksteel Colossus    
3   Exalted Angel    
1   Masticore    
4   Meddling Mage    
1   Morphling    
4   Ophidian    
3   Psychatog    
4   Quirion Dryad    
2   Shoreline Ranger    
1   Triskelion  

Spells  
1   Ancestral Recall    
1   Balance    
4   Brainstorm    
4   Cabal Therapy    
1   Coffin Purge    
4   Counterspell    
4   Cremate    
4   Cunning Wish    
3   Deep Analysis    
1   Demonic Tutor    
2   Disenchant    
4   Disrupt    
4   Duress    
1   Exhume    
4   Force of Will    
4   Gifts Ungiven    
4   Impulse    
4   Intuition    
4   Land Grant    
4   Living Wish    
4   Mana Drain    
4   Merchant Scroll    
1   Mind Twist    
2   Misdirection    
1   Mystical Tutor    
4   Night's Whisper    
4   Opt    
2   Peek    
1   Ray of Revelation    
1   Regrowth    
1   Skeletal Scrying    
4   Stifle    
3   Swords to Plowshares    
4   Tainted Pact    
1   Time Walk    
1   Timetwister    
1   Tinker    
3   Tithe    
1   Yawgmoth's Will    

Enchantments  
1   Animate Dead    
4   Battle of Wits    
2   Engineered Plague    
1   Pernicious Deed    


 Artifacts  
1   Black Lotus    
4   Engineered Explosives    
1   Mana Crypt    
1   Mana Vault    
1   Mox Emerald    
1   Mox Jet    
1   Mox Pearl    
1   Mox Ruby    
1   Mox Sapphire    
4   Phyrexian Furnace    
1   Sol Ring    
3   Tormod's Crypt    

 Lands  
4   Adarkar Wastes    
3   Ancient Tomb    
1   Bayou    
4   City of Brass    
4   Flooded Strand    
4   Grand Coliseum    
6   Island    
1   Library of Alexandria    
4   Polluted Delta    
1   Savannah    
1   Scrubland    
6   Snow-Covered Island    
1   Strip Mine    
4   Tendo Ice Bridge    
4   Tropical Island    
4   Tundra    
4   Underground River    
4   Underground Sea    
2   Undiscovered Paradise    
4   Windswept Heath    
4   Yavimaya Coast    

 
   
Sideboard     (15 cards)  
1   Academy Rector    
1   Auriok Salvagers    
1   Exalted Angel    
1   Peacekeeper    
1   Psychatog    
1   Berserk    
1   Blue Elemental Blast    
1   Coffin Purge    
1   Diabolic Edict    
1   Dismantling Blow    
1   Enlightened Tutor    
1   Erase    
1   Flash Counter    
1   Mana Short    
1   Mirrodin's Core    



That's it.

[M.Solymossy]

you might also want to include Control--Titan.

Hi-Val Piloted the deck very well and it's been doing fairly decent in the Midwest...

[Chester]

Titan isn't probably the best card to play in this deck, just because there are better creatures out there, But ICBM still had a good idea...

[gza424242]

hey pusyhren where can i find this amazing collection of decklists?

thanks in advance sorry for not being bright

[xrobx]

GZA: look on the first page, first post, of this discussion.  There is a link. Click it...it should be blue.

[Thibaut]

Excelent article ! Thanks a lot !
I'm french and your article help me a lot !

[Jacob Orlove]

This thread is very close to getting closed. Stop it with the spam, people. The PM function exists for a reason.

[yespuhyren]

Added the battle of wits decklist.

With regards to Jacob's comment, I agree with him that there is way too much casual posting on this thread.  As much as I enjoy the good feedback and questions, That is the reason you can PM me, email me, and I even created a guestbook for people to leave comments on here.  

I do appreciate feedback, but please do it via PM or guestbook, not this thread.

[JamesPr]

I believe that deck Battle of Wits deck was a joke, although I'm not positive about this however.  Maybe you should PM Kowal?
"Stop it with the spam, people. The PM function exists for a reason."
Verbal warning for spam, and for an utter failure to pay attention.
-Jacob

[Nightspirit_pl]

There is a littlle mistake in Cerebral assasin decklist - it needs 4 Goblin Welders to be complete.

[Jacob Orlove]

Congratulations. I have now lost all faith in humanity. Closed.