Why you should NEVER scoop...

[Freelancer]

This happened in a MWS game, its a match between UW fish and meandeck oath (modified to 'Roar oath'). Games 1 t/m 3 I won (playing fish) with things like;
1) Topdecking a meddling mage after he duressed me and after we had a small counter war over (I believe) another mage...
2)  Topdecking a seal of cleansing for his oath (just dropped) and than a meddling mage for oath (topdecked the next turn) not to forget that I still had annul in my hand (err had it in hand but unable to cast it)...
3) Drawing a stifle when it was the last POSSIBLE card that could humanly possible save me...

In all off these games the situation was pretty hopeless (barring game 2 that was insane) where he had back to basics lots of mana and other shit in play/hand...

Than he proceeded to kill me with a pristine angel next game...

And than the most insane game happened off all:
At some point (after lots and lots off turns) he had a oath a back to basics a pristine angel in play (and lots off mana) me having NOTHING in play besides some spirit tokens...
He desides to oath and this is what happens:


Freelancer draws a card
Freelancer discards Standstill
<Freelancer> Pass
Roar  taps Sol Ring
Roar  taps Island
Roar  plays Intuition from Hand
<Freelancer> LOL
<Freelancer> k
<Roar > hm
Roar  puts Intuition to Graveyard from Play
Roar  is looking its Library...
Roar  puts Black Lotus into play from Library
Roar  puts Ancestral Recall into play from Library
<Freelancer> hehe
Roar  puts Deep Analysis into play from Library
Roar  shuffles library
Roar  stops looking its Library...
Roar  puts Deep Analysis to Hand from Play
Roar  puts Black Lotus to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Ancestral Recall to Graveyard from Play
<Freelancer> NO
<Freelancer> lotus
<Freelancer>
<Roar > really?
<Freelancer> nah
<Freelancer>
<Roar >
<Freelancer> Pass

Roar  draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
Roar  taps Pristine Angel
Roar  taps Pristine Angel
Freelancer's life total is now 7 (-4)
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
Roar  taps Sol Ring
Roar  taps Mox Emerald
Roar  taps Mox Sapphire
Roar  plays Deep Analysis from Hand
Roar  untaps Pristine Angel
Roar  puts Deep Analysis to Graveyard from Play
Roar  draws a card
Roar  draws a card
<Freelancer> I am waiting for my double white
Roar  plays Forbidden Orchard from Hand
<Roar > o0
It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
<Roar > Pass
<Freelancer> so I can cast swords+balance...o_0

Freelancer draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Roar > lol
It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
Freelancer discards Standstill
<Freelancer> Pass
Roar  taps Forbidden Orchard
Roar  puts a 1/1 Spirit token into play
Freelancer is now the controller of Spirit
Roar  plays Brainstorm from Hand
<Freelancer> NOOOOOO
<Freelancer> k
Roar  draws a card
Roar  draws a card
Roar  draws a card
Roar  puts Brainstorm to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts a card on top of Library from Hand
Roar  puts a card on top of Library from Hand

It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
<Freelancer> I r doomhed
Roar  puts Polluted Delta into play from Library
Roar  puts Polluted Delta into play from Library
Roar  puts Polluted Delta into play from Library
Roar  puts Flooded Strand into play from Library
<Freelancer> her holiness is coming
Roar  puts Mana Drain into play from Library
Roar  puts Mox Jet into play from Library
Roar  puts Brainstorm into play from Library
Roar  puts Strip Mine into play from Library
Roar  puts Misdirection into play from Library
Roar  puts Tropical Island into play from Library
Roar  puts Mana Drain into play from Library
Roar  puts Engineered Explosives into play from Library
Roar  puts Forbidden Orchard into play from Library
Roar  puts Impulse into play from Library
Roar  puts Impulse into play from Library
Roar  puts Force of Will into play from Library
Roar  puts Brainstorm into play from Library
Roar  puts Oath of Druids into play from Library
Roar  puts Forbidden Orchard into play from Library
Roar  puts Underground Sea into play from Library
Roar  puts Back to Basics into play from Library
Roar  puts Force of Will into play from Library
Roar  puts Intuition into play from Library
Roar  puts Mana Drain into play from Library
Roar  puts Brainstorm into play from Library
Roar  puts Island into play from Library
Roar  puts Lotus Petal into play from Library
Roar  puts Oath of Druids into play from Library
Roar  puts Force of Will into play from Library
Roar  puts Oath of Druids into play from Library
Roar  puts Swamp into play from Library
Roar  puts Back to Basics into play from Library
Roar  puts Akroma, Angel of Wrath into play from Library
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Flooded Strand to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Mana Drain to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Mox Jet to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Brainstorm to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Strip Mine to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Misdirection to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Tropical Island to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Mana Drain to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Engineered Explosives to Graveyard from Play
20 cards left in library
Roar  puts Forbidden Orchard to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Impulse to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Impulse to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Force of Will to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Brainstorm to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Oath of Druids to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Forbidden Orchard to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Underground Sea to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Back to Basics to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Force of Will to Graveyard from Play
10 cards left in library
Roar  puts Intuition to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Mana Drain to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Brainstorm to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Island to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Lotus Petal to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Oath of Druids to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Force of Will to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Oath of Druids to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Swamp to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Back to Basics to Graveyard from Play
(I look at his graveyard, Hey look a hardcasted gaea's blessing I think I won o_0)
0 cards left in library
<Roar > oh god
<Freelancer>
<Roar > why do you hate me?!?
<Freelancer> I don't just have to topdeck
<Roar > fuck fuck fuck
<Freelancer> LOL
<Freelancer> this is fun...
<Roar > fucking fucky fuck
<Freelancer> I PWN you...big time...
<Roar > this sucks!
<Roar > really.
<Freelancer> my god...I should put this on TMD...
<Roar > yeah
<Roar > do it...
<Freelancer> just have to figure out how to format it properly...
<Roar > hehe
<Freelancer> First lets copy past...
<Roar >
<Roar > It should work properly with microsoft Word
<Freelancer> K this is taken ages just to copy everything...just the interesting pages than.


So you see, if you EVER think about giving up with no good reason...

So this is my advice to all magic players;
NEVER GIVE UP...

[Rico Suave]

The most surefire way to win a game is for your opponent to lose it to their own deck.

Next to ripping Will off the top. ;)

[Freelancer]

It was pretty amazing, expecially if you consider what a long shot it is (anybody good in math he had about 40 cards left in his library). And considering the game state (I was dead in 2 turns) and the games before it, it totally stunned both off us...

[Nightfish]

Hey, this is me, Roar . I was Freelancer's opponent.

I just confirm what happened. It is incredible. I've never been so unlucky before, and I've been playing magic for nearly 6 years now. So my hypothesis of Magic being a game of hazard is confirmed.  

Triple post fixed. Hitting the submit button thrice when the page doesn't immediately refresh doesn't make anything go faster, you know  - Bram

[Freelancer]

I'm sure your real said about those games, but triple posting is against the rules... (mods HELP ME )

Anyway this strenghtens the theory that scooping is not a option unless for some real good reasons (no time left for instance)...

[Darkstar]

Why didn't the Oath stop at Akroma? Wouldn't that have been good game right there?

[Freelancer]

It did but the last card was akroma, and there where 0 cards in his library after oathing. Than he has to draw a card and dies...

[Darkstar]

OK, I understand that, but in your list of things that happened, Akroma was in the middle.

Roar  puts Swamp into play from Library
Roar  puts Back to Basics into play from Library
Roar  puts Akroma, Angel of Wrath into play from Library
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Flooded Strand to Graveyard from Play

What I was asking was why the Oath continued after the Akroma. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[Freelancer]

That is a valid question indeed, I must have messed up somewhere with the copy paste actions...o_0

I'll change it to the last card revealed, because i am positive it was his last card in the library...o_0

[Darkstar]

Not a big deal at all. I was just curious, since I play Oath occasionally.

[TracerBullet]

I like to give my opponent every possible opportunity to fuck themselves over, as such, I generally don't scoop.  The exception to this rule is when time constraints come into play.

[Mixing Mike]

I know someone who forgot to play a BrainFreeze in his Sensi deck.  He combo-ed off and his opponent wanted to play it out.  Don't scoop, you never know.....

[Lofobal]

OK, I understand that, but in your list of things that happened, Akroma was in the middle.

Roar  puts Swamp into play from Library
Roar  puts Back to Basics into play from Library
Roar  puts Akroma, Angel of Wrath into play from Library
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Flooded Strand to Graveyard from Play

What I was asking was why the Oath continued after the Akroma. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

That is a valid question indeed, I must have messed up somewhere with the copy paste actions...o_0

I'll change it to the last card revealed, because i am positive it was his last card in the library...o_0

The formatting is fine, look:

. . .
Roar  puts Swamp into play from Library
Roar  puts Back to Basics into play from Library
Up to here he is revealing the cards by taking them off the top of his library and putting them on the board

Roar  puts Akroma, Angel of Wrath into play from Library
He reveals the Akroma and leaves her in play

Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
Roar  puts Flooded Strand to Graveyard from Play
. . .
He puts all other revealed cards from the board (where he placed them as he revealed them) into the graveyard, as required

As a side note, a friend of mine made top 8 at his first tournament ever by Ancestral Recalling one of his Oath opponents to death two games in a row.
[Edit: It should be noted that his opponent was only running one creature and wasn't running blessing, though.]

[Freelancer]

Ah yes, I knew there was something I was overlooking... (stupid in play,from library )

As a side note, a friend of mine made top 8 at his first tournament ever by Ancestral Recalling one of his Oath opponents to death two games in a row.

The ultimate proof that recall is deadly...o_0

[TR]

Indeed you should never scoop, even if you are the Oath player in the aforementioned situation. Let me give you the tale of "almost scooping to Acroma being your last card".

I was playing at a local T1 tournament against a black rogue deck. The games were 1-1 and game three was tight. I had no counters in hand and low life, which spelled imminent death to almost any of my opponents topdecks.  No worries though because Acroma is just waiting to be oathed up and bring the game home for me in one fell swoop. So I oath and I oath and I oath and I start to silently swear under my breath and yea Acroma emerges not least but definetily last. My opponent starts laughing like mad and I start sweating. I try to hardcast the Blessing but am remeinded that it is a sorcery. My opponent laughs even more manically and the audience we had gathered is likewise amused (though as I am soon to find out not for the reason I assume). So I take a deep breath count my cards in hand consider scooping and finally take a look at the dainty little Platinum angel I had Oathed up two turns earlier... I slap my head, the crowd starts giggling, I say Mainphase? Combat? and smash my still laughing opponents face with holy wrath.

Yeah, I should pay more attention to my board position...

[Freelancer]

*grins* that was a interesting story...

If anybody has some more off these kinda story's I love to hear them...
There defintley interesting, and show what you shouldn't do...

As a matter of fact my opponent actually made a mistake, since he already had a angel in play that was going to kill me in 2 turns and I had nothing in my deck that could save me from it...Normally however a 1/40 (as people kindly explained to me in jirc ) chance to loose the game but prevent the opponent another turn is just fine, in this case it wasn't fine though...

[Limbo]

I recall a game where a friend of mine was being owned by sui-black while he was playing slaver. The only thing he had in play was a goblin welder and a mox, but no targets in the graveyard. The opponent had lethal damage on the board, but before his combat-phase he decided to make his victory even more awesome by casting hymn to tourach. My friend was holding 3 cards, one of which was Platinum angel. It got popped in the yard, and owned the sui player

[Freelancer]

Losing to your own stupidity, that's truly idiocricy (is this a word?o_0) Still I'm sure this happens all the time, playing tight means much less (undeserved) losses...