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wonkey_donkey
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« on: May 27, 2005, 03:52:23 pm »

I'd like to congratulate combo_dude as the winner of 3CB tournament #57. A fine piece of metagaming gave him the top spot by a fairly comfortable margin, and has given rise to a card being banned. Well done!

Banned list:
Portal
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[card]Black Lotus[/card]
[card]Mesmeric Fiend[/card]
[card]Nezumi Shortfang[/card]
[card]Blackmail[/card]
[card]Chain of Smog[/card]
[card]Cabal Therapy[/card]
[card]Encroach[/card]
[card]Mind Swords[/card]
[card]Anvil of Bogarden[/card]
[card]Strip Mine[/card]
[card]Wasteland[/card]
[card]The Rack[/card]
[card]Balance[/card]
[card]Meddling Mage[/card]
[card]Isochron Scepter[/card]

1.   wonkey_donkey   -   If it ain't broke, don't play it…   -   City of Traitors,   Illusionary Mask,   Phyrexian Dreadnaught
2.   Chifley   -   (No Name)   -   Fountain of Cho,   Preacher,   Maze of Ith
3.   fadeblue   -   So Unoriginal   -   Subterranean Hangar,   Caustic Tar,   The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4.   combo_dude   -   (No Name)   -   Mishra's Workshop,   Jinxed Choker,   Glacial Chasm
5.   endersdouble   -   Techlessness   -   Mishra's Workshop,   Trinisphere,   Steel Golem
6.   Frodo Fett   -   Poor Man's Moat   -   Mox Pearl,   Blinkmoth Nexus,   Island Sanctuary
7.   Machinus   -   Going second sucks   -   Mox Sapphire,   Mishra's Factory,   Hesitate
8.   Das Boot   -   (No Name)   -   Lion's Eye Diamond,   Arrogant Wurm,   Nether Spirit
9.   ReAnimator   -   Shameless Plagiarism   -   Mishra's Workshop,   Trinisphere,   Steel Golem
10.   rvs   -   (No Name)   -   Lion's Eye Diamond,   Arrogant Wurm,   Nether Spirit
11.   skumble humble   -   my first time   -   Subterranean Hangar,   Smokestack,   Hypnotic Spectre
12.   Godder   -   Mishra's Nightmares   -   Mishra's Workshop,   Mishra's Workshop,   Duplicant

13.   wonkey_donkey   -   The TET Offensive   -   Treetop Village,   Eladmiri's Vineyard,   The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
14.   ReAnimator   -   Rat You!   -   Mox Jet,   Mishra's Factory,   Ravenous Rats
15.   rvs   -   (No Name)   -   Mishra's Workshop,   Chimeric Idol,   Steel Golem
16.   Frodo Fett   -   Mishra's Stronghold   -   Mishra's Workshop,   Ensnaring Bridge   Scalding Tongs
17.   Chifley   -   (No Name)   -   Mox Jet,   Mishra's Factory,   Ravenous Rats
18.   Godder   -   Down on the Farm   -   Savannah,   Thallid,   Swords to Plowshares

_   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   T   (P)
1|   x   0   6   0   3   0   3   6   3   6   6   2   6   0   6   0   0   0   47   (7)
2|   6   x   0   0   6   2   2   2   6   2   2   2   0   2   6   0   2   0   40   (13)
3|   0   6   x   0   6   6   0   6   6   6   2   6   0   0   0   6   0   6   56   (4)
4|   6   6   6   x   6   6   3   3   6   3   6   6   0   0   6   6   0   6   75   (1)
5|   3   0   0   0   x   3   6   3   2   3   4   2   2   4   2   0   4   6   44   (9)
6|   6   2   0   0   3   x   3   6   3   6   0   6   6   3   6   0   3   2   55   (5)
7|   3   2   6   3   0   3   x   3   0   3   2   6   6   4   0   2   4   1   48   (6)
8|   0   2   0   3   3   0   3   x   3   2   6   2   0   6   2   0   6   0   38   (14)
9|   3   0   0   0   2   3   6   3   x   3   4   2   2   4   2   0   4   6   44   (9)
0|   0   2   0   3   3   0   3   2   3   x   6   2   0   6   2   0   6   0   38   (14)
1|   0   2   2   0   1   6   2   0   1   0   x   2   2   2   0   2   2   0   24   (17)
2|   2   2   0   0   2   0   0   2   2   2   2   x   0   1   0   0   1   1   17   (18)
3|   0   6   6   6   2   0   0   6   2   6   2   6   x   1   6   6   1   6   62   (3)
4|   6   2   6   6   1   3   1   0   1   0   2   4   4   x   2   2   2   2   44   (9)
5|   0   0   6   0   2   0   6   2   2   2   6   6   0   2   x   0   2   2   38   (14)
6|   6   6   0   0   6   6   2   6   6   6   2   6   0   2   6   x   2   6   68   (2)
7|   6   2   6   6   1   3   1   0   1   0   2   4   4   2   2   2   x   2   44   (9)
8|   6   6   0   0   0   2   4   6   0   6   6   4   0   2   2   0   2   x   46   (8)

The margin of victory confirmed that glacial chasm needs to go. Unless you're playing vineyard, discard or artifact removal (often a bad idea, for example in a trinisphere or speed-based metagame), the deck is close to unstoppable, and it is not even beaten by energy field. I wish people the best of luck in breaking jinxed choker, however! As I said in the other thread, I think that it's the only immediate ban that's necessary - for the time being, most of the rest can be left alone. Dreadnaught, Wheel of Torture/Paupers' Cage and Leveler are all far from safe for the moment, although they aren't quite in the league of Glacial Chasm. As for the decks this time, things got very congested about the 45-point mark! Credit must go to Frodo Fett for his high finish with both decks, including a new deck that is a new contender in the metagame. It's good to see some effective innovation coming from him and, to an extent, fadeblue. Nice work.

Please post corrections/discussion - it may make a difference to placings, especially in the middle order!

Tom
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2005, 01:28:27 am »

These things are quite interesting... Very Happy I don't think there are any troublesome creatures left, as the big nasties are beaten by StoP, and often by 3Sphere as well. That said, if anything like that gets in the way, banning MWS would get rid of most of them anyway.

Anyways, many thanks for keeping it going!
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2005, 03:14:19 am »

Oh god, another "ban MWS!!!!!!!!!!!!" thread beckons... Razz

I think that I'd rather ditch the creatures and/or Wheel and Cage over MWS, because there are some perfectly fair decks that can be made without them. And I want to keep 3sphere because I was the first one to play the thing (even though it only ever won whenever someone else played it).
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2005, 03:21:14 am »

My deck only got swept by Steel Golems. Damn you Steel Golem!!!11
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2005, 01:22:23 pm »

Damn, my 2 threat Aggro decks did quite poorly... ^^
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2005, 09:49:14 pm »

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Dear Lord, no! Razz I don't think MWS is unfair, I was just mentioning it as a possibility...
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2005, 04:14:17 am »

Damn, my 2 threat Aggro decks did quite poorly... ^^
You were unlucky with the metagame this time around - two threat MWS decks are about the strongest ones out there. As a general rule, playing wheel of torture instead of one or other of the threats (depending on how much tabernacle you expect to see) is a good idea, but even without this I was surprised it was as low down as it turned out to be.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2005, 05:40:59 am »

Damn, my 2 threat Aggro decks did quite poorly... ^^
You were unlucky with the metagame this time around - two threat MWS decks are about the strongest ones out there. As a general rule, playing wheel of torture instead of one or other of the threats (depending on how much tabernacle you expect to see) is a good idea, but even without this I was surprised it was as low down as it turned out to be.

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yeah, that's pretty much why I submitted them. I figured at least one should be able to like T5 or something. Oh well... *ponders 3cb58*
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