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Question: What is your opinion on Gotcha?  (Voting closed: December 09, 2004, 12:29:04 am)
It is well balanced. It is fun to play with and against. - 7 (30.4%)
It is well balanced. It is fun to play with, but not against. - 0 (0%)
It is well balanced. It is fun to play against, but not with. - 0 (0%)
It is well balanced. It is neither fun to play with nor against. - 2 (8.7%)
It is not well balanced. It is fun to play with and against. - 0 (0%)
It is not well balanced. It is fun to play with, but not against. - 5 (21.7%)
It is not well balanced. It is fun to play against, but not with. - 0 (0%)
It is not well balanced. It is neither fun to play with nor against. - 9 (39.1%)
Total Voters: 22

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« on: December 09, 2004, 12:29:04 am »

I'm considering composing a letter to Mark Rosewater concerning Gotcha. Obviously, he receives a lot of mail from players who like or do not like various aspects of Magic. Therefore, I'd like to have a little bit of data before I approach him. It is my opinion that Gotcha may have been a serious mistake in Unhinged. It is a Spike mechanic in a set that is supposed to be dedicated to goofy fun. I haven't been able to play with it much, but I've determined it's one of the most frustrating mechanics ever.
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2004, 12:51:33 am »

It is definitely fun to play with, as it brings a new aspect to the game, keeps you on your toes, and can be meddled with using cards like Loose Lips and such, which is cool, but it is annoying as all hell to play against, resulting in walking on eggshells and generally not talking.

However, I think the intent was to be used by players that genuinely didn't care when they were Gotcha'ed. For more serious players, such as most of us here, it is just plain awful and results in silence, but for more casual players, I wouldn't doubt that they consider it fun to be Gotcha'ed.

That being said, it's no good in Type 4, which is the only thing Unhinged is good for, right? So it definitely gets my thumbs down.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2004, 01:03:15 am »

I did more rules-lawyering at the Unhinged release than the 10 tournaments that I went to preceeding it, mostly due to gotchas. It also made my opponents and myself silent, which killed all the fun of what would have otherwise been a fun event.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2004, 02:34:40 am »

In Type 4 it's really dumb and uninteresting.  I think that would carry over to limited as well.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2004, 01:43:21 am »

I want to fairly represent both sides of this argument, so commentary is welcome along with votes. I'd especially like to hear from the people who feel that Gotcha! is well-balanced and fun for all involved.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2004, 02:22:53 pm »

In the limited amount of unhinged games I have participated in (all casual) gotcha added to the fun. I don't think I would want to play against them in a tournament  however.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2005, 12:01:32 am »

Sorry for the thread resurrection, but I wanted to drag up the poll results along with this reply. I finally got around to sending an email to Mark Rosewater. Here's what I wrote:

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Dear Mark Rosewater,
Before I begin criticizing Unhinged, I wanted to praise the set briefly. I don't want you to get the impression that there was nothing about it that I liked. Many of the cards are absolutely fascinating. The Fallen Apart, Six-y Beast, the unnamed Shapeshifter, Frankie Peanuts, and the competition cycle (Head to Head, et al.) to name a few, really excited me. And now that I think about it, does Heartless Hidetsugu in silver-bordered land mean that life must now be measured in increments of 1/4, or does Hidetsugu's rounding floor life totals to the next lowest half?

On the other hand, some of the other cards just seem to foster environments in which it is not fun to play. The biggest offender is Gotcha! I conducted a brief poll consisting of the eight permutations of well balanced (yes/no?) fun to play with (yes/no?) fun to play against (yes/no?) and found the following: 30% of respondants found it well balanced and fun from either side of the table. 22% thought it was fun to play with, but not against, and 48% thought that it was not fun at all.

I happen to like playing with it, but the widespread frustration that comes with playing against it means that I seldom have an opportunity. Therein lies the kicker. Gotcha! is a Spike mechanic in a set dedicated to Johnnies and Timmies. As far as I know, there is really only one outlet for Spikes who like Unhinged cards -- Peasant Magic -- and that really only affects the commons.

I have heard many stories from people who tried Unhinged drafts, tournaments, etc. that Gotcha! often resulted in people simply not talking. After all, even casual players have incentive not to give that away games. One of the big draws of Magic, though, is the social aspect, and Gotcha! tends to encourage antisocial behaviour.

A handful of other cards also fall into the Unfun trap. To the best of my knowledge, Mana Screw for example, does exactly one thing: combo with Krark's Thumb -- dull both in result and in execution.

Even with the restrictions that have been laid on him, Cheatyface is one of the most irritating, rude cards ever. (I'll tap three Islands and add UUU to my mana pool. / Okay. / I'll put Cheatyface into play. / Okay. / Now I'll use the UUU to cast... / Then I catch you playing Cheatyface. / No way, you approved of me sneaking him into play. It's too late.) It becomes less about being sneaky and more about lying to get one's opponent to approve Cheatyface.

On the whole, I think that Unhinged is a fine piece of work. I really think that R&D dropped the ball with Gotcha! and a couple of other cards, though. I'm aware that R&D is only human and that mistakes do occur -- so I'm not  even asking for any sort of explanation for Cheatyface or Mana Screw. I just thought I'd throw those out there, while I was in rant mode. I would, however, really appreciate it if you could comment on Gotcha! some time in the future. Letting individual cards slip through is reasonable, but I don't understand how an entire mechanic can slip through. I'm not asking for a reply or a column or anything. Maybe next time you dip into your mailbag, if you could address it, I would be grateful.

Thank you,
Z. Ephraim Glass
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 02:37:55 pm »

I always thought your name was Matt, not Ephraim.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2005, 07:37:52 pm »

I always thought your name was Matt, not Ephraim.

It is, but I always paraphrase my signature when posting here, because I don't use my real name for anything at these forums. I reckon if he posts my letter, then y'all might even get to see my last name. Smile
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