Dragon Info from Judge list.

[TimeBeing]

This has came up on the judge list, and effects dragon, with it winning Paris, this could effect GEN CON.

http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0506b&L=dcijudge-l&F=&S=&P=735

and the respone

http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0506b&L=dcijudge-l&F=&S=&P=1715

Pretty much there is not an Official answer to if Dragon can draw a game out, or how the infinity rule is going to work. Some off list questions leads me to hope they will have one by gen con.

just wanted to give everyone a heads up, and maybe start some dissussion here. Don't go sreaming on the judge list, the subjet is shelved till an offiial answer is made, since its been talk about to death before

Steve
Time Being
DCI level 1

[Komatteru]

The general concensus among Type 1 players is that it is perfectly legal to draw the game by animating Bengorger Dragon with no other creatures in any graveyard (thus, no other legal targets for Animate Dead).  In that situation, unless the Dragon player has been hit with like Jester's Cap or something else that has rendered every one of his win conditions RFG, the Bazaar should allow him to win anyway.  In general, it's been ruled that during a loop, no one can force a player to preform optional actions, even if those actions would end the loop or otherwise alter the game state.

The big difference between the Dragon loop and an en-Kor "loop" is that the en-Kor has an activated ability--the player has to explicitly activate it, while the Dragon loop is a true loop.  It's very easy to call a player for stalling when he's activating something that doesn't really matter for the 150,246th time vs. causing the game state to degenerate into an infinite loop.

That's just my opinion.  I'm too lazy to take the sanctioned judge test, so I'm not an official judge, but that's how I think the matter goes.

[Machinus]

Dragon can draw the game since you aren't allowed to look in the players library to see if he can win or not. Life can't do that, it's stalling. You pick a number of activations, and if they other players asks you to, you have to go through them one by one. Otherwise, the game skips right to the 1,927,491th activation. You can't just go through them one by one.

[rvs]

and if they other players asks you to, you have to go through them one by one. Otherwise, the game skips right to the 1,927,491th activation. You can't just go through them one by one.

Contradicting yourself eh? Your opponent can't make you go through the motions once it has been established what the loop is, unless he has some sort of response at some point, for which he can just forward the whole loop to that point.

[Machinus]

and if they other players asks you to, you have to go through them one by one. Otherwise, the game skips right to the 1,927,491th activation. You can't just go through them one by one.

Contradicting yourself eh? Your opponent can't make you go through the motions once it has been established what the loop is, unless he has some sort of response at some point, for which he can just forward the whole loop to that point.

Activating an en-kor creature is NOT a loop. You can't decide to keep activating it an arbitrary number of times. Any judge will rule stalling.

[rvs]

and if they other players asks you to, you have to go through them one by one. Otherwise, the game skips right to the 1,927,491th activation. You can't just go through them one by one.

Contradicting yourself eh? Your opponent can't make you go through the motions once it has been established what the loop is, unless he has some sort of response at some point, for which he can just forward the whole loop to that point.

Activating an en-kor creature is NOT a loop. You can't decide to keep activating it an arbitrary number of times. Any judge will rule stalling.

I know. I was actually questioning the first part of that quote.

[Moxlotus]

I agree with the general consensus that the game can be drawn.

However, I must say that that judge sounds like a jerk.  Gee, sorry for asking a rules question to a LEVEL 3 judge.  No need to get pissy about it.  All he needed to say was "we will try to have an official decision by XXXXX" rather than just leave people hanging.