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								|  | «  on: July 24, 2005, 09:06:05 pm » |  | 
 
 Deceitful Tutor   Sorcery Name a card. Target opponent guesses whether a card with that name is in your hand. Reveal your hand. If your opponent guessed right, that player may choose a card from your hand then you discard that card. If your opponent guessed wrong, you may search your library for a card and put that card into your hand then shuffle your library. *** This card is sort of a combination of Liar's Pendulum with Demonic Tutor. To make the card "weak" enough to merit costing the same as Demonic Tutor, I threw in the risk of losing a card. It's sort of like Diabolic Intent in that regard. Although Diabolic intent guarantess that you'll lose a creature, it can be your weakest creature. This, on the other hand, may not  get you anything, may lose you the best card in your hand, and always causes you to reveal your hand. Having said all that, I realize this is actually quite a harsh penalty, although the alternate effect is essentially Demonic Tutor with a hand reveal, which merits a harsh penalty. |  
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								|  | « Reply #1 on: July 24, 2005, 09:06:28 pm » |  | 
 
 Current Wording:
 Deceitful Tutor
 {1}{B}
 Sorcery
 
 Name a card. Target opponent guesses whether a card with that name is in your hand. Reveal your hand. If your opponent guessed correct, that player may choose a card from your hand, then you discard that card. If your opponent guessed wrong, you may search your library for a card and put that card into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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								|  | « Reply #2 on: July 26, 2005, 07:48:21 pm » |  | 
 
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								|  | « Reply #3 on: July 26, 2005, 09:53:03 pm » |  | 
 
 I tried to do a smiliar card before, long, long ago - almost back the creation of the forum. We balanced it finem but I never could get it to fit on the damn card. |  
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								|  | « Reply #4 on: July 26, 2005, 11:00:49 pm » |  | 
 
 Compare the length of text on my card to the length of text on Grim Reminder. They're comparable, which suggests that this is printable.Deceitful Tutor Name a card. Target opponent guesses whether a card with that name is in your hand. Reveal your hand. If your opponent guessed right, that player may choose a card from your hand then you discard that card. If your opponent guessed wrong, you may search your library for a card and put that card into your hand then shuffle your library.Grim Reminder Search your library for a nonland card and reveal it. Each opponent who played a card this turn with the same name as that card loses 6 life. Then shuffle the revealed card back into your library.  {B}: Return Grim Reminder from your graveyard to your hand. Play this ability only during your upkeep. |  
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								|  | « Reply #5 on: July 27, 2005, 01:04:22 pm » |  | 
 
 Yeah, mine was way longer than that. |  
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								|  | « Reply #6 on: July 27, 2005, 02:34:35 pm » |  | 
 
 Didn't they have a Mechanic like this in Unglued?  or Unhinged?  I can't remember.  Anways the "game" is basicly flipping a coin since its 50/50 which makes it worse than gamble...  (in most cases) |  
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								|  | « Reply #7 on: July 28, 2005, 12:13:47 am » |  | 
 
 It isn't 50/50 at all. An astute opponent may know the nature of the deck you're playing and may be able to calculate rudimentary odds regarding the cards in your deck. Typically, I'd say that this should place odds somewhat in favour of one's opponent. I also wouldn't say that this gives away the game. Demonic Tutor is good, but it won't always win games. Plus, in the absolute best case, your opponent at least gets to see your hand for their trouble. And, as previously noted, they did print Liar's Pendulum in Mirrodin. |  
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								|  | « Reply #8 on: July 31, 2005, 08:21:05 pm » |  | 
 
 I forgot to mention in my previous post that unlike Gamble, this doesn't ever lose the card you search for, if you actually get an opportunity to search for it. That said, 24 Hour Clock. |  
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								|  | « Reply #9 on: August 02, 2005, 01:27:14 pm » |  | 
 
 Shouldn't that be "correct" and not "right"? |  
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								|  | « Reply #10 on: August 02, 2005, 07:45:16 pm » |  | 
 
 Sure. Correct works. Technically, it should be "correctly" and "incorrectly" or "wrongly," but the model card sets a gramtically incorrect precedent that I will nonetheless follow. |  
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								|  | « Reply #11 on: August 26, 2005, 07:59:37 am » |  | 
 
 Guessing is cool.
 Closed and added.
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