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« on: September 22, 2005, 10:33:25 am » |
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New England Magic. Synonomus with a Vinatage event almost every weekend. Now nothing... I thought it was me being busy with my current stage production and that i just wan't paying attention to the T1 scene as much. However that's not the case. What's happening? Where are the events people? Lennox, Somers were destroyed, Hadley is non existent now. Is this a prelude to a new "Combo Winter" time in T1s history? Or is it just that vintage events are going to be more scarce and left to the SCG and Waterbury sized events to tell the tales? Or is it Legacy? Is that pulling the focus of all the Vintage players. We know you'll all come crawling back to your power filled format after you tire of legacy. Everyone allways comes back.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2005, 01:12:38 pm » |
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Speaking strictly for Hadley, it's because I've been too busy and too broke to really organize anything effectively. I start my new job on Monday which will actually pay me enough to start doing things again, so Hadley isn't deceased.
I'm just wondering if I've missed the boat on YMG Prov the last two months or something. That was a fun store I haven't heard much out of recently, but it might just be me.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2005, 01:19:56 pm » |
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I'm just wondering if I've missed the boat on YMG Prov the last two months or something. That was a fun store I haven't heard much out of recently, but it might just be me.
They moved to a new location, so they want the locals to settle in before they start getting huge out of town crowds for tournaments again. They'll be back, though. |
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2005, 02:01:28 pm » |
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Perhaps the Northeast is no longer the Vintage stronghold it used to be.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2005, 03:01:57 pm » |
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Perhaps the Northeast is no longer the Vintage stronghold it used to be.
and hasnt been for quite a while. [chants]O-VER-RATED[/chants] |
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2005, 05:25:42 pm » |
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Being that I spend every moment of my professional life living the sales of cards in this game...
It's Legacy.
Legacy is killing Vintage. I can't sell a mox anymore roughly no matter what - but I can sell a Survival of the Fittest for whatever price tag I want. There are 3 stores around where I live, and all three used to run Vintage on Sunday, now they all run Sanctioned Legacy.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2005, 06:00:55 pm » |
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I don't test Vintage anymore. And I don't plan on writing a Vintage article anymore. All my articles for SCG are now on Legacy.
I'm trying to help kill legacy. It's a good break. Once Legacy dies down, which it will in 3-5 months, then Vintage will come back full force.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2005, 06:38:36 pm » |
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I'm trying to help kill legacy. It's a good break. that's awesome. Please hurry. |
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2005, 08:10:59 pm » |
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I don't test Vintage anymore. And I don't plan on writing a Vintage article anymore. All my articles for SCG are now on Legacy.Â
I'm trying to help kill legacy. It's a good break. Once Legacy dies down, which it will in 3-5 months, then Vintage will come back full force.Â
How are you going to get people to stop playing Legacy? |
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2005, 08:14:14 pm » |
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Legacy is killing Vintage. I can't sell a mox anymore roughly no matter what - but I can sell a Survival of the Fittest for whatever price tag I want. There are 3 stores around where I live, and all three used to run Vintage on Sunday, now they all run Sanctioned Legacy.
from anyone else I'd prob shrug this statement off, but coming you its kinda scary. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2005, 08:22:24 pm » |
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Legacy is killing Vintage. I can't sell a mox anymore roughly no matter what - but I can sell a Survival of the Fittest for whatever price tag I want. There are 3 stores around where I live, and all three used to run Vintage on Sunday, now they all run Sanctioned Legacy.
from anyone else I'd prob shrug this statement off, but coming you its kinda scary. What would you say if I told you that I think Mike is quite correct? |
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2005, 09:59:30 pm » |
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from anyone else I'd prob shrug this statement off |
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2005, 10:38:49 pm » |
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You should come to my tournament on November 5th Keith. Assuming it turns out successful, and I don't see why it wouldn't, I will likely be running more events. I knew I stockpiled 40 Survivals for a reason  It all depends on how much support there is from Wizards after the Legacy GP. If they continue to support the format, and I think they will, we may see a long-scale drop in the popularity of Vintage. They have put a lot of time into developing this format I believe, and it doesn't seem like they will abandon it unless the GP goes south. |
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2005, 07:13:32 am » |
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I'm posting this as an update on the YMG situation: Things are still progressing, though a little slower than we'd like. The crowd here is a lot younger so we're making sure they get used to us before making any big jumps into large tournaments (Not to mention making power even harder to find.). I expect to be holding our monthly Vintage tournaments again within the next 3 months. Longer than most would like, I know, but we want to make sure we don't scare the regulars away.
Thanks again,
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2005, 12:18:42 pm » |
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I don't test Vintage anymore. And I don't plan on writing a Vintage article anymore. All my articles for SCG are now on Legacy.
I'm trying to help kill legacy. It's a good break. Once Legacy dies down, which it will in 3-5 months, then Vintage will come back full force. That's right ladies and gentlemen. The logic is, by writing good Legacy articles and spurring innovation and interest in the format from one of Vintage's most respected minds, Legacy is somehow going to lose popularity. I really don't see it, honestly. |
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2005, 12:44:52 pm » |
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Okay so with Smmenen converted over to Legacy (for now), does anyone know if we are going to be receiving Vintage Premium articles from other community members. It seems like it's been awhile since I have seen anything.
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2005, 04:29:14 pm » |
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In the meantime, Smmenen was written one or a couple Vintage articles, Brassman wrote one about TfK in Gifts and Kowal had a daily on Vintage. What more do you want?
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2005, 10:38:35 pm » |
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More like, he's going to try to make it unsupportable by breaking the hell out of the few pre-Ice Age OOPs that are worth a fortune. Time Vault, Candleabra of Tawnos, Eureka!, Land Equilibrium, as well as the support cards Moat, Chains of Mephistopheles, and In The Eye of Chaos are all legal and all cost a fortune.
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2005, 11:17:06 pm » |
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There's no reason that some Skull.dec variant won't crush the Legacy environment if it's as much like extended as people like Veggie make it out to be. Eureka is so sick. Also - Belcher probably has potential in Legacy, buit I really don't know the format that well (nor do I know the banned list offhand).
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2005, 01:18:34 am » |
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I don't test Vintage anymore. And I don't plan on writing a Vintage article anymore. All my articles for SCG are now on Legacy.
I'm trying to help kill legacy. It's a good break. Once Legacy dies down, which it will in 3-5 months, then Vintage will come back full force.
How are you going to get people to stop playing Legacy? Wrong guy, but whatever. With me sharing the Flame Vault tech with literally everyone, it should easily become the new top deck and Time Vault should subquently be banned. If I do a follow up with my new list, then I can even make sure people don't fuck up the deck construction of it. However I doubt Legacy will die off anytime soon, it may go into recession again, but unlike Vintage they -can- bring Legacy back whenever they want by just banning certain OOP cards. Also yeah, Eureka is broken, people don't like using it though. Go figure. |
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2005, 03:41:15 am » |
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Also yeah, Eureka is broken, people don't like using it though. Go figure.
Go Show and Tell! Go! Legacy is killing Vintage. Does this surprise anyone? Even though Vintage is the more powerful and --to me, at least-- more intriguing format, Legacy has most points going for it: GP and GPT support, lower entrance cost barrier, possible Extended ports, power but far less random brokeness and last but not least: Goblins as a top deck. Also, Legacy is easier to understand than Vintage since the classic three-axis Roshambo metagame (aggro, combo, control) exists in an almost pure form. I don't see a new influx of players to Vintage happening anytime soon. And I doubt that Smmenen will kill Legacy. Since the format has the tool of banning available, killing it will be difficult. And a top deck using the old staples is unlikely to dominate on a larger scale because of card availability. How many people will be able to build the Flame Vault deck, for example? Who has four Time Vaults? Dozer |
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2005, 12:55:42 pm » |
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I have noticed that most of the people who play VIntage play because they like the more laid back atmosphere. This is something that Legacy does not offer to players. Part of the reason that I prefer Vintage to say, almost any other format, is that I can play it competatively and not have to be surrounded by 14 scrubby, unshowered, gross 14 year olds.
In my opinion this is the reason Vintage can never really die. If they make Legacy a GP format, it will still feel like more of the same. It'll still be a bunch of random kids, in a tournament setting that feels like standard only with better cards. I'm not saying that Legacy may get more popular that Vintage, because it may. What I am saying is that it can never kill Vintage, because Vintage offers players something that no other format can... the atmosphere and a different kind of player base.
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