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« on: October 13, 2005, 11:05:23 pm »

[cardname]
1RW
Creature -- Atog
1/2
Pack 4 -- Whenever an atog's power increases, all other atogs get +1/+1 until end of turn.

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I made the card red and white because I liken the pack ability to radiance. I originally wanted to replace all instances of cardnames in the atogs' activated abilites to "all atogs" but I don't think there is a proper wording. Jacob offered this very elegant solution. If anyone has suggestions on how to word the card as I originally intended, by all means share.
 
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Current Wording:

[cardname]
1RW
Creature -- Atog
1/2
Sacrifice an artifact and an enchantment: [cardname] gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
Pack 4 -- If an atog's power would increase, instead all atogs get +2/+2 until end of turn.
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 11:16:37 pm »

I think that wording might be self-recursive. How about, "if an atog's power would increase, instead all atogs get +2/+2"
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2005, 12:53:34 am »

The unifying feature of Atogs is that they eat stuff, so what does an Atog look like if it can't eat anything? It's not like they're renowned as some coordinated team, in fact, they're quite cannibalistic. I think this card's ability is interesting, but I don't get a very Atogish vibe from that guy as it stands.

Would it be too broken to add a pump effect if the cost was extremely harsh? Like cards at random, or multiple land or something?
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2005, 01:38:24 am »

The unifying feature of Atogs is that they eat stuff, so what does an Atog look like if it can't eat anything? It's not like they're renowned as some coordinated team, in fact, they're quite cannibalistic. I think this card's ability is interesting, but I don't get a very Atogish vibe from that guy as it stands.

Would it be too broken to add a pump effect if the cost was extremely harsh? Like cards at random, or multiple land or something?

Very true. We could change this guys name to something that makes him sound like a unifier of atogs. Instead of _____atog, with the prefix being something it eats, this could be Atog ______ (like Rich). As for the eating, what about using "Sacrifice an artifact and an enchantment: [cardname] gets +2/+2 until end of turn."? Or would that clash with the new name?

Edit: Or, keeping in theme with all of the other atogs (Latin prefix of what it eats followed by atog) we could name it something like Singatog or Singulatog. As in, it unifies atogs by destroying or eating the separation between them?
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2005, 05:50:58 am »

Wouldn't eat an Atog, all Atogs get +2/+2 be fun as a Pack ability? Obviously this should allow you to reduce it to Pack 3 or less.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2005, 11:17:03 am »

They already have an atog which eats other atogs. It's also incidentally one of the worst cards I have ever seen.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2005, 11:48:37 pm »

Hi Phatperm! Welcome to TMD

I love the idea of some sort of Atog Commander type card. The problem with playing a bunch of different Atogs is that different Atogs eat different sorts of foods. It wont be easy for any deck to support both Atog and Auratog, for example, because it won't be easy to dedicate a deck to having large numbers of artifacts and enchantments. In fact, even having multiple copies of the same atog isn't all that exciting. You only have so many forests to split between those two Foratogs in play, after all.

So, unless this card is going to end up every bit unplayable as Atogatog, we're going to have to give him something pretty decent to counteract those problems I mentioned above. He doesn't have to be constructed-worthy, but he should at least be able to have some fun deck built around him. And if his theme is making Atogs work better together, then how about something like this:

Atog Translator
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Creature -- Atog Diplomat
All Atogs in play gain the activated abilities on all other Atogs in play.
Sacrifice a permanent or discard a card from your hand, or remove two cards in your graveyard from the game:
Target Atog you control gets -2/-2 until end of turn. Target Atog you control gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
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Why blue and white? White is the color of banding, of multiple creatures coming together. Blue, however, is the color of politics. Ambassadors and their ilk are blue. Since this guy is designed to be the glue in an Atog theme deck, I'd rather see him a bit easier to cast than this, but the flavor seems to fit. If he instead had two split mana symbols, payable each with either white or blue, that would also work.

So, what is this guy's deal? Well, if he's the only Atog you have in play, then he's a pathetic creature. For the price of a Meddling Mage, you get to enjoy a Squire.  But when multiple Atogs start jumping into play, then things get really fun. Atogatog can now peacefully eat a corpse instead of a live Atog, if his friend Necratog is in play. Foratog can eat artifacts and become really really big so long as there's a Megatog out there to show him the way. And, oh boy, if you get out Mistform Ultimus and an Acidic Sliver, then you get to play with Kamikazee Atogs. The fun doesn't end!

And the second ability? I like the idea of an Atog being able to benefit from another Atog growing larger. However, the way Packatog is worded, the card isn't very Atog-like. He doesn't really eat anything. So, what about if we made the power-transferring ability this Atog's activated ability? Most Atogs get +2/+2 when they pump. His ability lets you essentially "move around" that bonus from one Atog to another. At the same time, by making it work like this, he maintains the standard that all non-leper Atogs have an activated ability. And technically, he even conforms to the "eat something, get bigger" Atog standard. With the ability worded like it is, he is technically capable of eating another Atog for a +2/+2 bonus, so long as you're willing to grease the wheels a bit by discarding a card.
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