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« on: February 10, 2005, 03:09:12 pm »

I figured this merits a separate thread from the "normal" Type Four discussion. My list has almost everything I want from Champions, but is still missing a ton of stuff from Betrayers

House Rules:
7-card starting hand, because the cards just aren't scary enough to make 5 necessary.
Night Dealings and Sensei's Divining Top lets you put any three cards in your deck on top in whatever order.  
Genju of the Realm *just works* (it has a little slip of paper that says so in its sleeve)
Cards listed in parenthesis appear in multiple categories.
* after a cardname means the basic land requirement has been sharpied out.

Counterspells:
(Disrupting Shoal)
Hinder
Hisoka's Defiance
Minamo's Meddling
Quash
Sideswipe
Squelch
Thoughtbind
Time Stop

Splice spells:
Blessed Breath
Candle's Glow
Consuming Vortex
Dampen Thought
Glacial Ray
Goryo’s Vengeance
Hideous Laughter
Horobi's Whisper*
Kodama's Might
Psychic Puppetry
Reweave
Soulless Revival
Through the Breach
Veil of Secrecy
Vital Surge
Wear Away

Other Arcane Spells:
Blind with Anger
Call for Blood
Cleanfall
Crack the Earth
Crushing Pain
Dance of Shadows
Devouring Rage
Disrupting Shoal
Eerie Procession
Ethereal Haze
First Volley
Heed the Mists
Ire of Kaminari
Lava Spike
Otherworldly Journey
Peer Through Depths
Petals of Insight
Pull Under
Quiet Purity
Reach Through Mists
Rend Flesh
Ribbons of the Reikai
Sift Through Sands
Terashi's Grasp
Terashi's Verdict
Three Tragedies
Toils of Night and Day
Unchecked Growth

Other Spells:
Befoul
Flames of the Blood Hand
Gale Force
Gifts Ungiven
Hanabi Blast
Hero’s Demise
Mindblaze
Reciprocate
Rend Spirit
Reverse the Sands
Soulblast
Stir the Grave
Sway of the Stars
Time of Need
Twist Allegiance
Yamabushi's Flame

Lands:
Hall of the Bandit Lord
Minamo, School at Water's Edge
Shizo, Death's Storehouse

Enchantments:
Genju of the Realm
Honden of Cleansing Fire
Honden of Infinite Rage
Honden of Life's Web
Honden of Night's Reach
Honden of Seeing Winds
In the Web of War
Night Dealings
Night of Soul's Betrayal

Creature Enchantments:
Blessing of Leeches
Cage of Hands
Mark of the Oni
Mystic Restraints
Ragged Veins
Serpent Skin
Uncontrollable Anger

Artifacts:
General's Kabuto
Moonring Mirror
Ornate Kanzashi
Reito Lantern
Sensei's Divining Top
(Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang)
That Which Was Taken

Beats:
Body of Jukai
Earthshaker
Godo, Bandit Warlord
He Who Hungers
Hikari, Twilight Guardian
Hired Muscle
Iname, Death Aspect
Iname, Life Aspect
Ink Eyes, Servant of Oni
Jugan, the Rising Star
Kami of Lunacy
Kashi-Tribe Reaver
Keiga, the Tide Star
Kodama of the South Tree
Kodama of the North Tree
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Konda, Lord of Eiganjo
Kuro, Pitlord
Kyoki, Sanity's Eclipse
Moss Kami
Myojin of Cleansing Fire
Myojin of Infinite Rage
Myojin of Life's Web
Myojin of Seeing Winds
Oyobi, Who Split the Heavens
Patron of the Akki
Patron of the Nezumi
Ryusei, the Falling Star
Scuttling Death
Seizan, Perverter of Truth
Silverstorm Samurai
Sire of the Storm
Sosuke, Son of Seshiro
(Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang)
Teller of Tales
Thousand-legged Kami
The Unspeakable
Uyo, Silent Prophet
Yomiji, Who Bars the Way
Yosei, the Morning Star

Utility:
Azami, Lady of Scrolls
Crawling Filth
Eight-and-Half-Tails
Hana Kami
Hearth Kami
Hisoka, Minamo Sensei
Horobi, Death's Wail
Initiate of Blood
Jushi Apprentice
Kami of Ancient Law
Kami of Old Stone
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Kiku, Night's Flower
Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
Kitsune Diviner
Kitsune Riftwalker
Masako the Humorless
Matsu-Tribe Decoy
Matsu-Tribe Sniper
Mistblade Shinobi
Nezumi Cutthroat
Ninja of the Deep Hours
Ogre Marauder
Okiba Gang Shinobi
Orochi Eggwatcher
Pain Kami
Samurai of the Pale Curtain
Tallowisp
Walker of Secret Ways
Waxmane Baku

Cards I am planning to add:
Ashen Monstrosity
Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Cunning Bandit
Eradicate
Final Judgment
Fumiko the Lowblood
Heartless Hidetsugu
Higure, the Still Wind
Isao, Enlightened Bushi
Ishi-Ishi, Akki Crackshot
Jetting Glasskite
Kami of the Honored Dead
Lifespinner
Neko-Te
Opal-Eye, Konda’s Yojimbo
Overblaze
Patron of the Kitsune
Patron of the Orochi
Pus Kami
Reduce to Dreams
Scour
Shining Shoal
Sickening Shoal
Throat Slitter
Tomorrow, Azami’s Familiar
Torrent of Stone
Toshiro Umezawa
Umezawa’s Jitte
Ward of Piety


It's an awesome stack.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2005, 01:39:53 pm »

This is really cool. There are so many Splice and Spiritcraft guys that would be awesome in T4 if only they worked reliably. I do have one question, though; did you consider adding non-Kamigawa Spirits?
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2005, 01:52:32 pm »

I REALLY like this stack idea... My question is how do you count splice onto arcane abilities??? Would they count toward the spell for the turn, or would they be considered alternate casting cost like say FoW when pitching a card so you can play another spell same turn if need be...

The list looks rather tame (which is to be expected), but the cards have incredibly synergy with eachother which should be a huge bonus, and make several crazy plays.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2005, 02:06:54 pm »

Even in real Magic, if you Splice 20 spells onto a Blessed Breath, it counts as one spell. It's like you're literally adding the Spliced card's text onto the original spell. While I can't speak for Jacob, I assume that he follows this rule.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 02:23:48 pm »

I have considered non-Kamigawa Spirits, as well as the T4-specifc cards (including the ones I made), but I think for now I'll leave it as block only. Maybe once saviors fully settles in, I'll shake things up with new cards, but for now I just want to really get a feel for the block version.

And yeah, you can splice as much as you want, provided you only cast one real spell per turn. Splice cards are the good. I hit five spells with Minamo's Meddling one game, though, so you do have to be a little careful.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 08:59:55 pm »

Extra! Extra! Read all about it!

The first SCG article on this stack.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2005, 11:30:28 pm »

By request, the new and updated version. I'll leave the old version in the first post for comparison. The MAJOR area of improvement is the creatures. As in, there aren't terrible ones anymore.

(same notes as above)

Counterspells (10):
(Disrupting Shoal)
Hinder
Hisoka's Defiance
Minamo's Meddling
Overwhelming Intellect
Quash
Sideswipe
Squelch
Thoughtbind
Time Stop

Splice spells (20):
Blessed Breath
Candle's Glow
Consuming Vortex
Dampen Thought
Evermind
Glacial Ray
Goryo's Vengeance
Hideous Laughter
Horobi's Whisper*
Kodama's Might
Overblaze
Psychic Puppetry
Reweave
Soulless Revival
Spiritual Visit
Through the Breach
Torrent of Stone*
Veil of Secrecy
Vital Surge
Wear Away

Other Arcane Spells (26):
Blind with Anger
Call for Blood
Crack the Earth
Death Denied
Death of a Thousand Stings
(Disrupting Shoal)
Eerie Procession
Ethereal Haze
Gaze of Adamaro
Heed the Mists
Ire of Kaminari
Murmur's from Beyond
Otherworldly Journey
Peer Through Depths
Petals of Insight
Pull Under
Quiet Purity
Reach Through Mists
Rend Flesh
Rending Vines
Sickening Shoal
Sift Through Sands
Shining Shoal
Terashi's Verdict
Toils of Night and Day
Unchecked Growth

Other Spells (21):
Curtain of Light
Enduring Ideal
Eternal Dominion
Final Judgement
Flames of the Blood Hand
Gale Force
Gifts Ungiven
Hanabi Blast
Hero's Demise
Hidetsugu's Second Rite
Mindblaze
Pain's Reward
Reciprocate
Rend Spirit
Reverse the Sands
Scour
Soulblast
Sway of the Stars
Twincast
Twist Allegiance
Yamabushi's Flame

Lands (5):
Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Minamo, School at Water's Edge
Miren, the Moaning Well
Shizo, Death's Storehouse
Tomb of Urami

Enchantments (11):
Clash of Realities
Genju of the Realm
Honden of Cleansing Fire
Honden of Infinite Rage
Honden of Life's Web
Honden of Night's Reach
Honden of Seeing Winds
In the Web of War
Meishin, the Mind Cage
Night Dealings
Night of Soul's Betrayal

Creature Enchantments (3):
Cage of Hands
Mystic Restraints
Serpent Skin

Artifacts (8):
Moonring Mirror
Ornate Kanzashi
Reito Lantern
Sensei's Divining Top
Soratami Cloud Chariot
(Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang)
That Which Was Taken
Umezawa's Jitte

Beatdown Creatures (43):
Arashi, the Sky Asunder
Ashen Monstrosity
Ayumi, the Last Visitor
Body of Jukai
Bounteous Kirin
Fumiko the Lowblood
Godo, Bandit Warlord
He Who Hungers
Higure, the Still Wind
Hikari, Twilight Guardian
Iname as One
Ink Eyes, Servant of Oni
Jetting Glasskite
Jugan, the Rising Star
Kagemaro, First to Suffer
Kami of Honored Dead
Keiga, the Tide Star
Kiyomaro, First to Stand
Kodama of the North Tree
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Konda, Lord of Eiganjo
Kuro, Pitlord
Moss Kami
Myojin of Cleansing Fire
Myojin of Infinite Rage
Myojin of Life's Web
Myojin of Seeing Winds
Oyobi, Who Split the Heavens
Patron of the Akki
Patron of the Kitsune
Patron of the Moon
Patron of the Nezumi
Ryusei, the Falling Star
Seizan, Perverter of Truth
Sekki, Season's Guide
Seshiro, the Anointed
Silverstorm Samurai
Sire of the Storm
Skyfire Kirin
(Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang)
Teller of Tales
The Unspeakable
Yosei, the Morning Star

Utility Creatures (35):
Azami, Lady of Scrolls
Cunning Bandit
Descendant of Soramaro
Eight-and-Half-Tails
Ghost-Lit Stalker
Hana Kami
Haru-Onna
Heartless Hidetsugu
Hisoka, Minamo Sensei
Horobi, Death's Wail
Innocence Kami
Isao, Enlightened Bushi
Ishi-Ishi, Akki Crackshot
Jiwari, the Earth Aflame
Jushi Apprentice
Kami of Ancient Law
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Kiku, Night's Flower
Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
Kiri-Onna
Kitsune Riftwalker
Masako the Humorless
Matsu-Tribe Sniper
Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker
Nikko-Onna
Ninja of the Deep Hours
Okiba Gang Shinobi
Opal-Eye, Konda's Yojimbo
Pain Kami
Pus Kami
Samurai of the Pale Curtain
Throat Slitter
Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar
Toshiro Umezawa
Waxmane Baku

Cards I am looking to add:
Celestial Kirin
Cloudhoof Kirin
Hail of Arrows
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Presence of the Wise
Sakashima the Impostor
Soramaro, First to Dream
One with Nothing (kidding!)
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