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« on: December 06, 2005, 10:22:02 pm »

1) Can judges lend out cards before a tournament?

2) Are judges allowed to tell people what "they should've done" between matches?

3) Can someone judge a tournament while playing in another? How about judge two at the same time?

I've seen judges do these things before at FNMs and other local tournaments.
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I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?

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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2005, 11:02:15 pm »

1) Why not?  Cards belong to the judge and there's nothing in the rules against borrowing cards from people.

2) Not prohibited by rules as far as I know.  Getting advice before rounds is not illegal.  A judge advising a player on what his next opponent is playing is not so good, though.  I know I've discussed plays with judges who watched it unfold after a match before.

3) If you're judging an event, you're supposed to devote your entire attention to that event.  It's hard to do that when you're playing in an event.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2005, 04:30:23 am »

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2) Are judges allowed to tell people what "they should've done" between matches?

Judges are like people. They exist between rounds and offer advice/analysis like anybody else.  Any such advice/analysis should be appreciated/ignored like any other advice/analysis (I know. I maindeck Conjurer's Bauble as a Kill card in Salvagers, and I some times let Ancestral Recall resolve willingly)

Take it or leave it.  They don't neccessarily know the ins and more importantly, outs of your deck off hand.

Comments like "you are the Suxxor: you suck" may lead you to end career of said judge, or file a complaint or whatever.

In my experience, a Judge may question or analyze my play from a finished round, and it is "I" who claims that "I am the Suxxor", but that's me: I don't always make the optimal plays. (I am human, and not a Terminator Magic Player.)

whats the big deal?  Judges are Magic Junkies too, as far as I know.

This is assumming (as per your stipulation), that this is all done BETWEEN rounds, and not even between games (2/3 is a round)
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2005, 08:32:27 am »

I remember a tournament I was in the final round and the winner of the match went on to top 8.  He was on his last turn before he died and was trying to combo me out.  I had a  chalice for 3 in play and a chalice for 2, my opponent was playing sensei top combo and had the cunning wish in hand.  He called over the judge and asked him a question about the chalice and the cunning wish because he was ready to scoop.  Then the judge saw that he had a stifle in his hand and just volunteered the information that the triggered ability of the chalice countering a spell could be stifled.  So after that the player stifled through the chalice and proceeded to win the game with a brain freeze.

I was a little bent that the judge went out of his way to tell the player how to win the game, and I didn't think it was appropriate that he did it.  But, everyone is human and makes mistakes.  I think judges are there strictly to make a ruling, and inform players of the rules if they have a question regarding a card.  Not to play the match for a player.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2005, 10:18:35 am »

I don't know how MtG rules deal with that kind of thing, but I think that's just wrong. If I  were in that situation I would have asked to see the head judge.
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I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2005, 11:26:49 am »

1) Can judges lend out cards before a tournament?

2) Are judges allowed to tell people what "they should've done" between matches?

3) Can someone judge a tournament while playing in another? How about judge two at the same time?

I've seen judges do these things before at FNMs and other local tournaments.
1) Sure.

2) As long as a player is in a tournament a judge should not give them any play advice.

3) It's not ideal, since you are not going to be as available, but there is nothing in the rules against it. I'd do my best to avoid it. Judging more than one at the same time is fine.

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2005, 05:49:37 am »

I remember a tournament I was in the final round and the winner of the match went on to top 8.  He was on his last turn before he died and was trying to combo me out.  I had a  chalice for 3 in play and a chalice for 2, my opponent was playing sensei top combo and had the cunning wish in hand.  He called over the judge and asked him a question about the chalice and the cunning wish because he was ready to scoop.  Then the judge saw that he had a stifle in his hand and just volunteered the information that the triggered ability of the chalice countering a spell could be stifled.  So after that the player stifled through the chalice and proceeded to win the game with a brain freeze.
I would surely have reported this dude. No person may offer advice to a player in a match. If a judge does that, he is WAY out of line.
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