Slaver: Triskelion or Duplicant?

[mulder]

Which creature is better in Slaver, Duplicant or Triskelion?

Triskelion:
- kills multiple Welders, Confidants, Gorilla Shamans
- shoots at the head

-Duplicant:
-Better against Oath
-Kills Colossus

Which one do you prefer? My creature of choice is usually Triskelion since I can usually remove the Colossus with other means (Welder, bounce,... ) and Oath is not that prevalent in our local meta.

And why is Pentavus no longer used? I think it's a great card, since it can block forever, make the Stax matchup easier (free permanents), it hits hard and can create a lock with slaver.

[God_Campbell]

it is all a matter of choice really, and Demars runs trikeless, as he likes his deck to be less susceptible to null rod.
I personally have cut Titan and choose to run both trike and Dup.
As for the fallout of Pentabus...Crucible of worlds has just been much better in the stax match up, but I am sure it is still played by some people.

[forests failed you]

It shouldn't be duplicant, but rather duplican ... because there is nothing that guy can't do.

Anyways, I prefer Dups to Trike.  But when I can get away with it I really like to dump the whole creature removal robot spot altogether.

I felt that with all the Oath and all of the DSCs running around Trike was pretty worthless for anything but killing opposing Welders.  And let's be honest Dups can still kill Welders.  Just not three at a time.  But when does your opponent honestly have three Welders that need to be dealt with all at once?

I added Dups to kill Oath's guys; and I secretly have a fear of getting owned by Psychatog; as I feel it is actually a fairly poor match up.  Duplicant is a real house against Psychatogs.

I also like the fact that he doesn't get affected by Null Rods, so I can go nuts on a board of Meddling Mages with an active Welder even if they have dropped a Rod.



As for Pentavus, he is really good against fields with lots of Agro and lots of Stax.  Over the summer my robot base was 2 Slaver and 1 Pentavus.  And if the field ever returns to where it was, where it isn't all Drain and all Combo, I'd be more than happy to go back to riding the Bus.

[Special K]

I think the question is all about your metagame as if you plan to face Oath all day then play Dup obv. but I've found that Dup against fish isn't all that it is cracked up to be as removing a 2/2 isn't necassily always important most cases I don't mind tinkering/weldering a trike into play with a null rod as it is a huge 4/4 body that they can't deal with outside of swords or disenchant and since trike/Dup is never my tinker target against fish anyway as I usually prefer to go for titan to eat their white sources and put them many turns behind their swprds and disenchant become far less scary.  If there isn't a Rod in play Trike is all the better a removing multiple dorks in their attack phase as well as welder activations.

I myself do face Oath in my meta and could care a less about losing game 1 to angels or whatever they get as game 2-3 I know I just win after boarding in bridges.

[warble]

Play trisk and rack and ruin and echoing truth.  Enough answers for all the shiat and dominates the control matchup.

[M.Solymossy]

my 4 artifacts in my slaver list:

2 Slaver
1 Dupe
1 Trike


why have 1 or the other when you can have BOTH?

[frolll]

I think that Solemn Simulacrum as a potential md slot, too.
This guy is huge vs Stax.

[forests failed you]

my 4 artifacts in my slaver list:

2 Slaver
1 Dupe
1 Trike


why have 1 or the other when you can have BOTH?

Isn't this a bit redundent?  You have four maindeck slots devoted to big expensive robots and between the four you can only do two things, slaver and kill idiots?  You don't have a Tinker target that gets you a particularly quick clock, or anything that generates board advantage against stax.  It seems as though your toolbox is extremely limited by playing dubs slaver and two robots that do very similar things.

[Special K]

my 4 artifacts in my slaver list:

2 Slaver
1 Dupe
1 Trike


why have 1 or the other when you can have BOTH?

I take it there is very little control in your area as you have 4 fat artifacts 2 of which are only good against Aggro I don't see why you would want to run both and want to clog up your hand more so then already happens in a slaver deck.  I don't see how running both is any type of advantage where as getting a titan in play against fish early as possible seems to be the best play for this deck as it hurts their smaller mana base and puts them in top deck mode for lands which for fish is never good just because their top decks are alot less amazing then anything a slaver deck can top deck forcing them into the late game where they just can no longer win.  With all the critter hate I don''t see a reason to possibly need 2 slavers because if creatures are huge portion of your meta so should null meaning a 6cc artifact that does nothing is and will be really useless.

[M.Solymossy]

Um, my meta features my team, team GWS, and randoms, who all play either our decks (Gilded Claw, ICBM Oath) or their decks (IT, GWS Oath) or UW fish.

I play duplicant and trike because honestly, I hate fish.  Duplicant allows me to destroy dorks with my robots through null rod.

And my tinker gets me slaver, usually.


And brian, I HATE HATE HATE DSC, but I always SB Titan.  I don't main it since Milwaukee is just 2 hours north of Mishra's Workshop.

[forests failed you]

I mean I understand that if your metagame is sleighted toward just a few decks then it is handy to just hate on those decks;  however, I think that the question of would you play Triskellion or Duplicant is focused on observing a much larger metagame than just your region where there is an overwhelming abundence of just two decks.

If you were to go to say SCG Rochester where or Chicago, where you knew that there would be a much larger field of decks to play agaisnt represented;  would you choose Trike or Dups, or would you stil run the configuration that you are running in your local meta?

[M.Solymossy]

If i were going to rochester, and actually at local tournaments, i will probobly be playing:

artifact fat:
2 Sundering Titan
1 Triskilion
1 Duplicant

ICBM turbotitan circa-2004/5 for the win!

[Nefarias]

I've been playing against a whole lot of Dark Confidants and Welders lately, and not so much Fish or other aggro, so I have Triskelion. I've had 2 Ensnaring Bridges in my board for a while, but haven't faced Oath yet in about the 30 rounds I've had them in there. I've recently switched to 1 Bridge and one Duplicant in the board. The Duplicant is still an Oath answer, and its more versatile. I've been happy with him there.

I like Trike main for not only the obvious killing, but he's a pretty decent clock too. I also like the virtual card advantage he provides: if I know my opponent is playing with Welders/Confidants/Kataki, and I don't need a superfast clock, I'll Tinker him out over DSC knowing that their x/1 are going to be dead draws. In other words, Trike is both proactive and reactive, and generally ends the game pretty quickly.

[Hillboy]

I've been working on a slaver build and I've been running

1 DSC
1 Trike
1 Slaver
1 titan

It depends on the timing what I want somtimes going tinker DSC is the way to go because he doesn't get chumplocked, other times I prefer the titan as a way to kill lands, trike is spot removal and the 1 slaver is a bomb. Duplicant is in the board. I see alot of goblins, fish, aggro and weird stuff where I live though.

If I were to take out 1 of them it would probably be Trike because 9 times out of ten I can't keep my welders alive long enough to abuse it.

Jed

[Largent]

It shouldn't be duplicant, but rather duplican ... because there is nothing that guy can't do.

Anyways, I prefer Dups to Trike.  But when I can get away with it I really like to dump the whole creature removal big artifact spot altogether.

I felt that with all the Oath and all of the DSCs running around Trike was pretty worthless for anything but killing opposing Welders.  And let's be honest Dups can still kill Welders.  Just not three at a time.  But when does your opponent honestly have three Welders that need to be dealt with all at once?

I added Dups to kill Oath's guys; and I secretly have a fear of getting owned by Psychatog; as I feel it is actually a fairly poor match up.  Duplicant is a real house against Psychatogs.

I also like the fact that he doesn't get affected by Null Rods, so I can go nuts on a board of Meddling Mages with an active Welder even if they have dropped a Rod.



As for Pentavus, he is really good against fields with lots of Agro and lots of Stax.  Over the summer my big artifact base was 2 Slaver and 1 Pentavus.  And if the field ever returns to where it was, where it isn't all Drain and all Combo, I'd be more than happy to go back to riding the Bus.

i agree 100%, duplican takes out just about every threat there is (even a goblin welder if need be, as afore mentioned)