Two questions about control slaver

[ramon]

I'm now playing this deck with great results and I would like to know your opinion about these options:

- Darksteel colossus or platinum angel (or both)
- One or two Mindslavers

The only card that I don't have from the main deck is the time walk, and I am using the time warp  (I can play it after a mana drain), do you thing I must use another card (please don't answer me "time walk"  )

[Shock Wave]

I'm not a slaver expert, but Time Warp is just horrible.

[+t]

Run some other card that will give you tempo advantage, like maybe Echoing Truth.  Time Warp is awful, it violates the Azrehi principle.

[trik219]

As far as DSC and Platz is concerned:
      I only run DSC as it ends games fast
      Platz is a nice added security, but one that is not necessary.

The number of slavers:
     Two is a must.  This card wins so many games, and two gives you great consistency.

[Wollblad]

I run DSC. I can see virtually no deck where I would rather want Platz. Against combo, it is much higher probability that DSC kills your opponent before he combos you out than for Platz not to be bounced. The only common match-up where Platz is strictly better is Oath.

I run two slavers since a common situation is an early Thirst that discards a Mindslaver. Then if you find your Tinker and plays it, you'll have to fetch something suboptimal if you run only one slaver. You cannot build a deck that takes mulligan when you start with mana, Thirst and Mindslaver on your hand. Indeed, you want to thirst away a Mindslaver early on so that Welders become a threat, just not a 1/1 creatures that meddle with your moxes. These arguments make it clear that two slavers is a necessity.

[ramon]

I'm not a slaver expert, but Time Warp is just horrible.

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thank you

I'm going to start to play with two mindslavers and one jar

Last week I played the deck with more instants (boomerang, fire/ice, remand, etc) and three Isochron Scepter, and I won lots of matches, but I'm not sure if the deck needs them, what do you think?

[trik219]

Just wondering... What does you list look like?

[ramon]

Just wondering... What does you list look like?

 

Maindeck:

Artifacts
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Sol Ring
3 Isochron Scepter

Artifact Creatures
1 Darksteel colossus
1 Triskelion

Creatures
3 Goblin Welder

Instants
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Brainstorm
1 Echoing Truth
4 Force Of Will
1 Redirect
3 Mana Drain
1 Boomerang
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Thirst For Knowledge
1 Vampiric Tutor

Legendary Artifacts
1 Mindslaver

Sorceries
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Yawgmoth's Will

Artifact Lands
1 Seat Of The Synod

Basic Lands
3 Island

Lands
2 Flooded Strand
1 Library Of Alexandria
3 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
2 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island

Legendary Lands
1 Tolarian Academy

Sideboard:
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Blood Moon
2 Darkblst
1 Pyroblast
2 Shattering Spree
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Massacre

[NaNaKy3k]

Ramon, First of all don´t use Spanish expresions like the laught "jajajaja" because this is an English forum

Also, Running TimeWarp and Isocron´s scepter, I wonder how do you get serius results, what do you mean with serius?

This is Open Vintage, no casual forums, you aren´t playing CS, you are playing Scepter.deck with welders.... please, ask Brian Demars or someone else about CS and read the post, you will learn a lot of things of Control Slaver or why Isocron Scepter is unplayable

[trik219]

Topic: Memory Jar and Fact or Fiction in Control Slaver

Smmenen wrote:


Here is MY Control Slaver List:

Meandeck Control Slaver

25 mana
10 Artifacts
5 Fetch
3 Island
1 Strip Mine
3 Volc
2 Sea
1 Academy

35 spells
4 Thirst
4 Brainstorm
4 Drain
4 FoW

3 Welder
2 Slaver
1 Trike
1 DSC
1 Tormod’s Crypt

1 Echoing Truth
1 Rack and Ruin/ Shaman (I prefer the latter)
1 Memory Jar

1 Fact
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral
1 Tinker
1 Yawg Will

1 Vampiric Tutor
1 DT
1 Mystical

[ramon]

Ramon, First of all don´t use Spanish expresions like the laught "jajajaja" because this is an English forum

Also, Running TimeWarp and Isocron´s scepter, I wonder how do you get serius results, what do you mean with serius?

This is Open Vintage, no casual forums, you aren´t playing CS, you are playing Scepter.deck with welders.... please, ask Brian Demars or someone else about CS and read the post, you will learn a lot of things of Control Slaver or why Isocron Scepter is unplayable

First of all, all I want to do in this forum is learn more about my favourite game
2nd I'm sorry about my english level, after my phd in england (in 2001) I haven't speak english
3rd "spanish expresions" isn't a beautiful expresion
4th I'm not living in the usa with competitions with more than 80 players (I think in my town we are only ten players with moxes and the black lotus), I play with friends and in competitions with 20-30 players. And I'm not here trying to be serious, I'm here for read opinions about my decks (or my ideas) (maybe for you think they are crap, but maybe someone can help me and give me good ideas)

And thank you for your message, I won´t use the "jajaja" expresion again in an english forum

 

Modified - Sorry NaNaKy3k I think I have been too susceptible,

Smmenen's CS list.

Thank you trick 219, I admire Stephen Menendian and their decks, but the only thing I want to know is what do you think about the three isochronn scepters in the main deck. Now I know the answer (crap)

Thanks

Double post merged & long quite removed. - Bram

[xycsoscyx]

Wow, this thread degraded quickly.  First, this is a Magic: the Gathering forum, first and foremost, language takes a backseat to that.  Jajaja, seriously, you're complaining about that?  Okay, then tell everyone to stop using the with "the" intentionaly, 'cause that's not english either!

Okay, on subject, it's really not a bad deck.  The biggest problem with Isochron Scepter is Null Rod, which has seen a lot of play lately in the US.  If it's not as prominent in your local area, by all means, it's a powerful tool.  Time Warp, meh, it's an extra turn, but you should be spending your Drain mana on something more useful.  Time Walk is so powerful simply because of the casting cost (if the extra turn was that powerful, more people WOULD play Time Warp in competitive Vintage decks).

Good luck with the deck.

[Bram]

First of all: the language comment was uncalled-for.

Second: this thread really should belong in Vintage Improvement. I'll move it there; please continue to discuss.

[trik219]

Thank you trick 219, I admire Stephen Menendian and their decks, but the only thing I want to know is what do you think about the three isochronn scepters in the main deck. Now I know the answer (crap)

Scepter is a card that I love.  I was always happy to get it in MD5 draft, but that’s beside the point.  As long as your Meta allows for less competitive cards then I don't see too much of a problem.  But be aware that it is not optimal and resembles more of a fun card.  I would never play it because I play in competitive fields (Most SCG P9's), but if it works for you in your play area, you win, and have fun, the go for it. 

One thing that I think is missing in this deck is mana vault. It can help you power out a scepter even if it is for a brainstorm (which is not exactly bad).

When it comes to the SB: I'm not a fan of Leyline.  It takes up too many slots become a lot worse when it’s not in you opening hand.  I prefer to run Tormod's Crypts and free up a few spots. I run 1 Crypt main and 2 in the side depending on the Meta.  Crypt has a lot more synergy with the deck then Leylines and has utility late game where Leyline does not (ie TFK and welder).

Good luck and Have Fun

Trik

[gotinput]

Isochron Scepter is a bad idea for several reasons more than likely stated somewhere else on this forum. 

1.  Isochron Scepter is too slow for vintage.
2.  I'll agree with the previous posts that null rod does it in.
3.  Notice how many list run rebuilt, hurkyls, chain of vapor or other bounce...  you don't get the imprinted spell back!
4.  Even if you imprint mana drain on it you still need 2 mana open to activate, there are much better things to do with 4 mana.

If you get lucky enough to get two uses out of the imprinted spell it still probably hasn't really done you that much good and could be replaced with a more effective spell.

Also what is "1 Redirect" really supposed to be?

[ramon]

Thank you for your answers, I will take off the scepters and I will try the mana vault and the tormod's crypt



And "1 redirect" is a mistake the card was remand