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Animated Monarch
3BB
Legendary Creature -- Zombie Lord
1/1
You may play Animated Monarch from your graveyard as though it were in your hand.
If you play Animated Monarch from your graveyard, it comes into play with 3 +1/+1 couters.
Its dynasty will never end.
Strong in limited. Very strong in limited. If you can get it to die, that is. Or discard it.
Current wording:
Animated Monarch
3BB
Legendary Creature -- Zombie Lord
1/1
You may play Animated Monarch from your graveyard as though it were in your hand.
When Animated Monarch comes into play, if you played it from your graveyard, put three +1/+1 counters on it.
Its dynasty never ends.
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<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2004, 03:27:42 pm » |
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I think this would be a bit more attractive for limited if it was 2/2 and it got 2 counters when cast from the graveyard. What do you think?
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2004, 06:41:42 pm » |
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"You may play Animated Monarch from your graveyard as though it were in your hand."
I'm so happy to see someone else use this mechanic! I've created cards with it, but I haven't gotten a very good reaction about it. (It's not the same as Flashback.)
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2004, 06:42:57 pm » |
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I'd say that this is pretty well balanced. Coming out of the graveyard, it's a little bit stronger than Necrosavant, but on the other hand, it's not nearly as good as Necrosavant when played from one's hand. In fact, I don't think that this really needs to be Legendary at all, if you want to make it a normal creature. I'm not sure I care for the name all that much. I'd like something a little bit more majestic and evocative. It's hard to separate the ideas of anination and cartoons. Something like "Grim Sovereign" would seem better to me.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2004, 07:41:48 pm » |
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Hey that is AWESOME.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2004, 10:38:17 pm » |
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Would it be a consideration at all to give this an ACC from the graveyard? In this way you don't have a completely bogus 5cc 1/1 in your hand. Something like..
CARDNAME
1BB
Legendary Creature - Zombie Lord
You may play -this- from your graveyard as if it were in your hand if you pay 2 more to play it.
If you play -this- from your graveyard, it comes into play with 3 +1/+1 counters.
Or is that *too* good for Limited? It chumps early and comes back quickly.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004, 11:30:11 pm » |
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This has to be decently hard to get in the graveyard, or else it's a 4/4 that comes back forever. The original cost is fine.
I agree with whoever wanted the name changed, though.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2004, 04:41:34 am » |
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I think this would be a bit more attractive for limited if it was 2/2 and it got 2 counters when cast from the graveyard. What do you think? That's what it was originally, matter of fact. But then I looked at it again and changed it to its current form (before anyone saw it, I guess  ). I think a 2/2 actually makes it too good. I want this to be a card in limited that opponents are scared of killing, but in doing so, it can't be too good (otherwise you'd basically create an 'unblockable', indestructable bear). I agree with whoever wanted the name changed, though. Yeah, I *guess*....but this was really a top-down designed card. The name Animated Monarch (like the Machinated Mansion and Demonic Amaranth I submitted yesterday) are all anagrams of themanadrain.com. They're sort of a tribute to this site. The flavor texts were meant to tie these together as a sort of weird cycle (and are meant to pay hommage to TMD as well). I didn't want you to know this before you actuallt discussed the cards on their merits  Here's an idea: how bout we keep the name for the Master List, see if it grows on us, and if we don;t end up liking it, we can change it to whatever we want ig we ever end up including it in a set? It'll be very flexible that way. |
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2004, 08:54:46 pm » |
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The name Animated Monarch (like the Machinated Mansion and Demonic Amaranth I submitted yesterday) are all anagrams of themanadrain.com. You are my hero. Great card. Innovative, and with great flavor. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2004, 02:55:27 pm » |
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Thanks!
I have a question about the wording however. The way ot's now ('When you play....it comes into play') sounds almost like it can't be coutered or whatever anymore. Should I rephrase?
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2004, 05:03:11 pm » |
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"When you play Animated Monarch, if you played it from your graveyard, it comes into play with three +1/+1 couters. "
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2004, 05:55:52 pm » |
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Much, much better. Thank you.
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2004, 10:44:35 pm » |
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Er:
Maybe it should be "When Animated Monarch comes into play, if you played it from your graveyard, put three +1/+1 counters on it."
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2004, 05:51:23 am » |
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Yah. This is good enough wothout being basically uncounterable.
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2005, 09:28:52 am » |
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Bump.
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
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R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2005, 11:29:25 am » |
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Yes, I love this card.
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2005, 02:12:23 am » |
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Shouldn't it require a sacrifice to get out of the graveyard a la Necrosavant. Although this is far weaker whilst alive, the undead version is gross, especially in Limited where undying 4/4s tend to win games. If the graveyard ability had a sac cost the 'living' CC could be reduced.
I must admit I kind of like the concept but am worried that in practice the return from graveyard effect is too strong.
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2005, 02:32:09 am » |
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Well, this would obviously be a rare. Also: you need to actually get it in the graveyard first. Comparing it to Necrosavant: my version doesn't require a sacrifice, but it's also -1/-1 for the same cost, as well as pretty darn useless when you first play it. It's still a lot better, I know, but compare it to Weatherseed Treefolk...that basically does the same thing for the same converted mana cost (5/3 trample rather than regular 4/4 though) plus is has the bonus of actually doing something when you first play it.
I don't think the extra cost is necessary.
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2005, 05:04:25 am » |
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The Treefolk example is a good one, you are right and I was wrong.
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2005, 05:25:13 pm » |
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I had the same concern until you pointed out weatherseed treefolk, which also quieted me. However, Weatherseed treefolk costs triple green, so I think this should either cost triple or quadruple black, or be a B/G card.
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2005, 01:32:50 am » |
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But this card sucks big time when cast as a living creature whereas the Treefolk is reasonably priced for a 5/3 Trampler even without the graveyard ability. Double black is fine IMHO
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2005, 02:32:04 am » |
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I second Dandan's sentiment. Also: the ability of returning from the yard (even though Treefolk works differently from mine) is much more black than it is green anyway. It's only fair that it's somewhat easier to play.
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2005, 12:46:21 pm » |
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<j_orlove> I am semi-religious
<BR4M> I like that. which half of god do you believe in?
<j_orlove> the half that tells me how to live my life
<j_orlove> but not the half that tells me how others should live theirs
R.I.P. Rudy van Soest a.k.a. MoreFling
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2005, 07:02:06 pm » |
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Is anyone else concerned that this is too good? Compare this to, say, Greater Mossdog. That's a 3/3 for 4. This is a 4/4 for 5. Dredging back Greater Mossdog costs a draw and dredge 3 (which may or may not be a drawback), and this costs neither.
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2005, 07:36:20 pm » |
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Greater Mossdog is essentially unplayable in constructed, outside of pure dredge decks that need an answer to Hand of Honor. It's also a common.
A better comparison would be Necrosavant.
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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2006, 09:43:28 am » |
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Thread necromancy? This was clocked but never added. I was looking at a Coldsnap spoiler and the following card reminded me of Animated Monarch:
Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
1BB
Legendary Creature - Zombie Knight
3/3
You may only play Haakon, Stromgald Scourge from your graveyard.
As long as Haakon is in play, you may play Knight cards from your graveyard.
When Haakon is put into a graveyard from play, you lose 2 life.
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