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« on: September 26, 2006, 09:55:08 pm »

Microscopic Universe
{3} {U} {U}
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If a spell or ability would only have one target, it instead targets every legal target.
I've got the whole world in my hands.


I know that this thing is powerful, but i think that the cost fits the effect.  Upheaval costs 6.  Micro Universe and Boomerange costs 7.  Pyroclasm costs 2.  Micro Universe and Shock costs 6.

Anyways, I think I proved my point...


CURRENT WORDING:

Microscopic Universe
{3} {U} {U}
Enchantment
Whenever a player plays an instant or sorcery with a single target, that spell instead targets each legal target.
I've got the whole world in my hands.
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2006, 11:17:54 pm »

Does that wording work? Radiate copies the spell for each legal target.

Radiate's also red.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2006, 03:19:00 am »

I am not leaning toward creating copies, I am attempting to make it a replacement effect.  I want this thing to make Mortify to basically say "Destroy all creatures and enchantments"


I am not sure yet if it is doable or not though.  It may need reminder text or something....
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2006, 05:27:58 pm »

I don't think that works.  ESpecially since Mortify only has one legal target.  I think Radiate is def. the effect you want.  Just make all the copies uncounterable.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2006, 10:52:43 am »

Whenever a player plays a spell with a single target, change the text of that spell by replacing all instances of the word "target" with "each". That spell no longer has any targets.

So far, the above wording hasn't seemed to break anything. I don't believe it is the optimal solution. A global Radiate is probably better. As far as the rest of the card, I'm not sure this should be blue and I'm not sold on the casting cost of five, but I'm willing to withold judgment on those issues until we iron out the card wording.

For the record, I'd probably favor the Radiate:

Whenever a player plays a spell with a single target, copy that spell for each other object the spell could target. Each copy targets a different one of those objects.

Radiate says "targets a single permanent or player". I'm not sure what the significance of that is. We might want to look into that.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 11:28:55 am »

By the way, why is this blue?
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2006, 11:49:19 am »

By the way, why is this blue?

It's not. It's either red or white, I think. Blue could probably get away with this in the "meta-magic" sense: Blue is the best color at making magic that effects other magic (see Cancel, Mind Bend, etc.). I think the text-changing wording feels a lot more blue as well. But I think the card is more white in the "Make sure you bring enough to share with the whole class" sense. It is a rule-setting enchantment. Also, it tends to create a lot of Wrath and Armageddon type effects, which are white-ish anyway. Red has precedent in Radiate, though. And red also likes to blow up the world.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2006, 07:54:11 pm »

I really hope this card can be made, becaus ethe idea is hilarious.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2006, 02:27:05 am »

I really don't want to make this a radiate enchantment, I would rather make this a replacement enchantment.

I really think that since this replaces text it should stay blue, but if noone else things that, then i s'pose it could be red.

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2006, 09:11:14 pm »

I like this. Pity it can't be an Enchant World though.

As for your wording, I applaud the originality, but hacking into the text of cards like that will cause quite a lot of cards to be reduced to gibberish because 'Target' is both a noun and a verb.

As a totally random example, with this in play, Radiate's text now reads:

Choose each instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single permanent or player. Copy that spell for each other permanent or player the spell could each. Each copy targets a different one of those permanents and players.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2006, 12:10:37 am »

ok ok ok i'm sure that we can figure this out.

Whenever a player plays an instant or sorcery with a single target, that spell instead targets each legal target.


What do you think?  Does that work?
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2006, 10:43:50 am »

I like this. Pity it can't be an Enchant World though.

As for your wording, I applaud the originality, but hacking into the text of cards like that will cause quite a lot of cards to be reduced to gibberish because 'Target' is both a noun and a verb.

As a totally random example, with this in play, Radiate's text now reads:

Choose each instant or sorcery spell that targets only a single permanent or player. Copy that spell for each other permanent or player the spell could each. Each copy targets a different one of those permanents and players.


Actually, I think it's

Choose each instant or sorcery spell that eaches only a single permanent or player. Copy that spell for each other permanent or player the spell could each. Each copy eaches a different one of those permanents and players.

I knew my wording probably wouldn't work completely, but it was a starting-off point.

Whenever a player plays an instant or sorcery with a single target, that spell instead targets each legal target.

I don't think you can make a spell with a single target target multiple objects like that.

Frankly, I have to assume that R&D looked for ways to do this with Radiate and Radiate was the best they could come up with. I think that's how this effect needs to be worded. If there were any better way, R&D probably would have used it.

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2006, 09:45:13 pm »

why not?  Arc Lightning targets multiple things.  I think that this wording works.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2006, 09:52:25 am »

Has anyone considered that your opponent probably has to lose the game to deal with this if it resolves?
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2006, 09:59:04 am »

Has anyone considered that your opponent probably has to lose the game to deal with this if it resolves?

Please elaborate.


Would my wording work if it read:

Whenever a player plays a spell with a single target, change the text of that spell by replacing all instances of the word "target" followed by a noun with "each". That spell no longer has any targets.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2006, 10:13:13 am »

Has anyone considered that your opponent probably has to lose the game to deal with this if it resolves?

How does casting Disenchant constitute losing the game? Are players now considered Enchantments or Artifacts?

It seems the only problem with this card is that it has to be dealt with before dealing with the player. This would make it comparable to Platinum Angel, except that players can still take damage from attacking creatures.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2006, 12:29:51 pm »

Ok, I think that parallax's wording is probably the closest, but we can shorten it.

Whenever a player plays a spell with a single target, change the text of that spell by replacing all instances of the noun "target" with "each".  That spell no longer has any targets.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2006, 12:54:24 pm »

So Mortify will either destroy each creature or each enchantment? Under that wording, you won't destroy both, which was your intent.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2006, 01:36:49 pm »

I am satisfied in this just killing each creature or enchantment.  I just wanna get this thing made.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2006, 03:11:42 pm »

"Destroy target creature or enchantment."

"Target" is not being used as a noun in this case. It is actually being used as an adjective.

I'm still not very happy with the text-hacking version.

"Destroy each creature or enchantment."

This wording is not 100% clear. I think it destroys creatures and enchantments, but someone might interpret it as "Destroy each creature or destroy each enchantment." Also, it's not properly worded Magic-wise. It should read "Destroy all creatures and enchantments.". There's no way to hack the text that far without causing confusion.

Change the text of target instant or sorcery spell by replacing all instances of "target" as an adjective with "all" and all nouns modified by "target" with their plurals.

This is just bound to be confusing.

Any reason why a Radiate enchantment won't work?
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2006, 04:33:37 pm »

if we make it a radiate enchantment, not only is it going to be wordy, but it will have to be red.

But i guess that is just what we are going to have to do...

What should the wording be then?
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2006, 12:21:36 pm »

"Whenever an instant or sorcery that targets a single player or permanent is put on the stack, that player instead targets each player or permanent that spell could target."

Does this wording work?
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2006, 04:34:24 pm »

someone give me conformation that this works or does not please!
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