chrissss
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« on: August 22, 2006, 06:06:29 am » |
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Boros strider    legendary creature - knight Double strike : knights you control get +1/+1 until end of turn. 2/2 "We knight stand our ground, for we are the protectors of the Boros"I had a lot of versions of this card: 1) A version that just Boros gets +1/+1 2) A version that cost R G W and that has trample, and needs RGW to get +/1+/1 3) A version that gives all your multicolored creatures +/1+/1. But I thought this was the most fair one. Double strike is powerfull though, and thats why I didnt want to make it overpowered. Current wording:
Sofuko, boros protector.
legendary creature - knight
First strike
: Boros Strider gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
: Boros strider gains double strike until und of turn.
2/2
"We knight stand our ground, for we are the protectors of the Boros" |
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« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 06:06:27 am by Bad Wolf »
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2006, 08:48:20 am » |
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I take it this is 1/1?
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chrissss
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2006, 09:22:35 am » |
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woops.
not a 1/1. a 2/2.
but I was thinking of just giving it +1/+1, because all nights can be too powerfull.
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2006, 09:24:46 am » |
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I think a 2/2 doublestrike for three is already pretty strong without any pump ability.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2006, 09:30:28 am » |
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I thought that a 1/2 cost 2, so a 2/2 legendary should be 2/2. plus the ability is 3 mana.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2006, 10:09:39 am » |
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Even as a legendary creature this thing is INSANE.
Double strike is just waaay too powerful, there's a reason why most cards with it are costed awkwardly or are otherwise quite weak.
/Zeus
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2006, 10:38:17 am » |
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This guy is strictly better than a 4/2 for . I think two-power double-strikers have to cost at least four mana. Compare to Ridgetop Raptor. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2006, 10:39:45 am » |
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what about making it a 2/1?
or adding to the ability :'' other creature you control get -1/-1 untill end of turn''
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2006, 02:01:16 pm » |
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That'd still be stupid good, sure it dies to darkblast and all that, but it still got double strike, so the toughness is largely irrelevant when dealing with creatures. (and obviosly when dealing with players)  legendary creature - knight Double strike 2/2 "We knight stand our ground, for we are the protectors of the Boros" ...That would probably be fair, yet its really boring. /Zeus |
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2006, 02:37:34 pm » |
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I don't think that your creature would have to be Legendary, zeus-online. Ridgetop Raptor is a 2/1 for 3R, and the addition of white mana to the cost is worth a point of toughness at least.
Of course, a 2/2 Double Strike for 2RW, while playable, is vanilla common or uncommon creature, not the splashy rare Bad Wolf designed. I don't have a problem with this, as I like simple cards, but if you want to keep the idea of a R/W Legendary double-striking pumper, you might consider something else, probably in the form of a mana-cost upshot.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2006, 01:08:25 am » |
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what about the current version?
mana for DS and mana for pumping?
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2006, 08:48:37 am » |
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Now that's an interesting card. Could be a bit weak now, but I would rather have a double strike creature be too weak than too strong. You could probably lower the activation costs by . Or make the +1/+1 and the double strike . |
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2006, 10:44:26 am » |
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How about:
RW: Doublestrike
1R: +1/+0 ?
or maybe just R: +1/+0
Firebreathing is very "red" while "real" pump tends to be black.
/Zeus
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2006, 11:01:13 am » |
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Pump can be white. Also, remember that for this card, each +1/+0 is really +2/+0, so the pump should remain two mana.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2006, 12:54:20 pm » |
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But with my version he has to pay WR to get double strike. To clarify, my suggestion: legendary creature - knight : Boros strider gains double strike until und of turn. : Boros Strider gets +1/+0 until end of turn. 2/2 "We knight stand our ground, for we are the protectors of the Boros" I requires quite alot of mana to do insane stuff....I'm not sure if legendary is much of a draw-back currently, though....since you'll never be able to afford to pump two of these guys. /Zeus |
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2006, 02:24:05 pm » |
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I don't think this actually needs to be Legendary. As for the current version; the costs are awkward at 1WR for each of them. I'm also extremely wary of putting doublestrike and power pumping on the same creature.
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2006, 05:44:56 pm » |
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Double strike has the unfortunate drawback of overcosting pretty much every other ability on the card. Most instance of double strike is pretty conditional; those that have Firebreathing are Dragon Tyrant (upkeep cost) and Rakdos Pit-Dragon (needs Hellbent to have double strike).
Equipment and Crusade effects pretty much go hand in hand which the archetype this card would go into, so when you consider the cumulative effect of p/t increasing effects, Firebreathing AND double strike is probably going to end up activating for more than they're really worth.
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chrissss
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2006, 03:57:49 am » |
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since everyone is complaining and saying different things, I just know that getting a 24 H on this card is very difficult....
so i gues close this thread.
ps: I see no reason why the current version is overpowered.
6 fucking mana to get a 3/3 double strike, and you guys complain that this is too powerfull????
ever heard of nantuko shade??
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Yes,Tarmogoyf is probably better than Chameleon Colossus, but comparing it to Tarmogoyf is like comparing your girlfriend to Carmen Electra - one's versatile and reliable, the other's just big and cheap.(And you'd run both if you could get away with)
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2006, 11:28:34 am » |
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Actually, I think the current version, wth activated double strike rather than natural double strike, is slightly underpowered. I suggested lowering the activation costs. Either: : ~This~ gains double strike until end of turn. : ~This~ gains +1/+1 until end of turn. or: : ~This gains double strike until end of turn. : ~This gains +1/+1 until end of turn. would be perfectly acceptable. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2006, 02:02:58 pm » |
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One a 1/1? Probably that version is fine.
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2006, 04:35:41 am » |
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ok, I changed it now.
everybody happy?
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2006, 09:31:16 am » |
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Wondering, why does it have natural first strike? Seems odd.
But i think its fine now.
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2006, 11:37:22 am » |
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I like the first strike. He always strikes first (he's that good), but he can hit a second time if you pay the activation cost. The activation costs make it difficult to get ridonkulous amounts of damage out of him.
He needs a name upgrade in order to be legendary, though.
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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2006, 01:35:28 pm » |
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Boros, ultimate knight
Knight of the ultimate Boros
any other ideas?
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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2006, 01:38:24 pm » |
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Most legends have a "name" Like...Meloku, Keiga, Kamahl, Ertai etc.. even insignificant legends like Jareth got names..i think this needs one aswell.
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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2006, 06:05:03 am » |
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Sofuko, boros protector.  |
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2006, 04:30:04 pm » |
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24 H.
I almost forgot about this card, but I do like it.
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