U/R fish type deck want to know what you think about it

[Damos2001]

This deck was made with tendril/Empty the warrens combo and aggro (mainly U/W fish) as the main meta game in mind. It's game plan is to disrupt there early game and beat them in the face with creatures. I really want to make a U/R fish deck and think it can be good. At least in my meta and was hoping that you all could give me some help with the deck. I will admit I have not tested the deck out yet. Because I just came up with the list but I hope to get it ready to test out this friday. Well now that I have all that out of the way here is the deck list.

Creatures (16)
4x Ninja of the Deep Hours
4x Mox Monkey
4x Magus of the Moon
3x Bloodfire Dwarf
2x Grim Lavamancer/Sage of Epityr (I kind of like the idea of the sage and it gives me more force food)

Spells (22)
4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
3x Chalice of the Void
3x Fire/Ice
3x Stifle/REB (not sure witch one I like best yet)
2x Echoing Truth
1x Time Walk
1x Ansectral Recall

Mana (22)
4x Volcanic Island
6x Blue Fetch Land
3x Wasteland
3x Island
2x Ancient Tomb
1x Stripmine
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Sapphire

I think that things like the chalice,null rod, Magus and Back to Basic give the game a good bit of diruption. As against combo this can almost stop them from being abal to have the mana they need to go off.

Though I have to wonder if maybe 20x mana sources if not 1 or 2 to few.

Speaking of the mana base. I know it looks kind of odd. But the magus and Back to Basic make it so that I have to have a good bit of basic lands in the deck. I also like that this means you can make those wasteland's of your oppoents dead cards too. And yes I KNOW that I do not have Black Lotus in the deck. This was not a mistake I have my reasons for not wanting to play it right now. Though maybe I will add it in later.

So what do you all think about the list. Thanks for any help you can give.

[someone_unimportan]

It would help if you could explain why you don't want Black Lotus. First turn Magus of the Moon seems like good.

[ErkBek]

Creatures (14)
4x Ninja of the Deep Hours
3x Bloodfire Dwarf
3x Mox Monkey
2x Grim Lavamancer
2x Magus of the Moon

Spells (26)
4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
4x Fire/Ice
4x Chalice of the Void
2x Echoing Truth
2x Stifle/REB (not sure witch one I like best yet)
2x Null Rod
2x Back to Basic
1x Time Walk
1x Ansectral Recall

Mana (20)
4x Volcanic Island
3x Blue Fetch Land
3x Red Fetch Land
3x Mountain
5x Island
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Sapphire

I like the concept of this deck. Blood moon has a very powerful effect on the game state, especially for a fish deck. Some suggestions though

1) Back to Basics just isn't very good these days, blood moon is actually better. The reason is because many decks can win all in one swoop only tapping their lands once. Also, they can play around Back to Basics by fetching out basic islands like they should be doing vs. fish. Blood Moon on the other hand stops spells from being played and shuts down fetchlands from finding further blue or black mana. (+2 free space)

2) 2 Null Rod + 4 Chalice + 3 Monkey just doesn't look right. I'd go with a 4 Monkey + 3 Chalice plan and then cut out the rods completely. Also, its important to note that a chalice @1 will likely hurt you as much as your opponent. (+2 free space)

3) 4 Fire/Ice seems a bit much. I understand that you've got lots of UW fish on the mind, but I think you are over doing it a little bit. I'd cut 1 for sure. (+1 free space)

4) Now that B2B is gone, you can clean up some things in the manabase. Wasteland is really good in fish, you definitely should try to fit in a few. I also think Lotus should get in the list. I inclined to think that with UW fish being a concern that you should run about 22 mana sources so I'd suggest

2 Mox
1 Lotus
2 Off-color mox (these will really help you having great turn 2's and 3's, trust me)
1 Strip
2 Waste
4 Volcanic
3 Island
4 Delta
3 Strand

So after the mana boost, I'd probably use the remaining 3 spaces to put in some stifles/Reb and another magus or two. I hope this helps.

[bdg4life]

The reason why he doesn't use black lotus is because he thinks its a bad card, no matter how many times we have told him it's a great card.

[Damos2001]

The reason why he doesn't use black lotus is because he thinks its a bad card, no matter how many times we have told him it's a great card.

lol. I do not think it is a bad card.  I just did not like it in mountains because I found that having 3 of one color for one time is not as good as having 1 of a color that sticks around. I did test it ALOT and every time I just found I did not like it. Remember I did not run to many color mana sources in the deck. As I had both waste/strip and factorys in the deck. And the mana base was only 22 or 23 I belive.

But as for this deck having only 20 mana sources I was afraid that I needed mana sources that stick around (I really feel 20 mana is a bit low even for fish). But I like kodefan's ideas. And adding 2 more mana sources going to 22 mana sources I feel that lotus can fit in the deck now.

This was why I said that I may add lotus in the deck later. Because I knew I wanted it but I did not want to when all I had was 20 mana sources.

Thanks for the help so far I will edit the origanal post to show what the deck will look like after your suggestion. As I said I will proably not get a chance to really test the deck out tell friday. But after that I will post what I have found out so far.

Again thanks for all the feedback so far and please keep it coming.

[Kataki_Rulez]

Hmm... I'm new to Vintage, but this list (in my opinion) seems to have a few deficiencies. I think that Mogg Fanatic is better than the Dwarf, and Lavamancer is just plain good.

[Damos2001]

Fanatic only kills one creature where as the dwarf kills all the token your opponent gets from Empty the Warrens (and while not the only reason it is there one of the biggest). There are just loads of better one drops in U/R then fanatic. Dwarf is played for the very fact that it does 1 damage to everything. And it also can have good game against U/W fish also. As you can not only block then sack to kill any 2 drop they throw at you (save the grunt of course) but you can also sometimes 2 for 1 them if they have lions out also.

As for the Mancer VS Sage. Mancer is good yes but I feel like this deck is all about geting a really good turn 2 or 3 play out. Weather that be a ninja starting to draw you cards or else a Magus screwing over there mana base. And the sage helps make sure you will have that good turn 2 or 3 play. Also it gives you 2 more blue cards to feed to FOW.

Though it should be noted that the sage idea came to me after I had a few other ideas for making changes to the deck. Most notably I cut all the brainstorms. I know you all are proably calling me crazy right about now. But I think that what I replaced them with gives me better game. I will talk more on what I added after I test the deck out some tommorow night.