UB Drain control

[technogeek5000]

Im trying throw a vintage deck together for TMC so i thought id pull out my old tinker list and put it up here to revamp it. I want to get something close to tier for the tournament. Im trying not to make it a tinker deck... rather a mid-range control deck with a tinker/colossus finish. here is the base list for what im thinking of.

4 Force of will
4 Brainstorm
4 Mana drain
4 Daze
3 Ponder
3 spell snare
3 duress
2 echoing truth
2 Darksteel colossus
1 vampiric tutor
1 Demonic tutor
1 ancestral recall
1 Gifts ungiven
1 tinker
1 fact or fiction
1 yawgmoth's will

5 mox
4 Polluted delta
4 underground sea
4 flooded strand
2 island
1 seat of synod
1 lotus
1 sol ring
1 mana vault
1 tolarian academy


I dont have a sideboard yet but im thinking somthing like:
1 duress
1 spell snare
2 echoing truth
4 chalice (they work with tinker and i cast my moxen before it resolves)
4 leyline
3 something

The deck sets up turn 1 and 2 with lots of draws spells and tries to get into the mid game with its array of disruption and cast a tinker/colossus ftw. FoF and gifts are good card selection alongside brainstorm/ponder and the obvious recall. Mana drain is good with all the draw/tutoring of the deck. I run 2 colossus for consistencey but i was thinking of doing a 1-1 split between colossus and sundering titan. Is this a good place to start for the deck. Am I running enough artifacts to support tinker and am i running enough control. TMC will be the first vintage tournament ive played in over a year so all critisism is welcome because im reletively unfamiliar with the new metagame.

[Grapes17]

What would you specifically search up with Gifts Ungiven?
You were talking about a 1-1 split of Colossus/Titan, what about Colossus/Platinum Angel? I really enjoy Platz, and not being able to lose is so good.
It seems like there should also be something better than Daze... perhaps Misdirection? Great for when they cast Ancestral Recall. Maybe Merchant Scroll as well, it could tutor for your Echoing Truth. You could even cut one Truth to make room for Merchant scroll.

Just some ideas.

[tomjoad]

I would suggest the following changes, first off:
-1 Echoing Truth
-4 Daze
-1 Gifts Ungiven
-1 DSC
+4 Merchant Scroll
+1 Misdirection
+1 Duress
+1 Mystical Tutor

Just having 3 Duress' isn't likely to be enough, especially considering how many of your opponents will be packing 6-7 Duress effects.

Also, while Truth can be useful in many math-ups, there aren't a huge number of matches where you really want it. It's awesome against Empty the Warrens and Sliver Flash, it can be very good against Quirion Dryads, and it's good against Tinker-->DSC. Other than that, you don't really want to see it, so just having one you can Scroll for should be enough.

I may be wrong about Gifts in this deck, but I don't see it as being super-powered.

I think Scroll is an auto-include here. You can fetch Recall, FoF, or just reload your hand with counterspells. Also, you can Scroll for Mystical, Mystical for Will/Tinker, and just win the game. It's very mana intensive, but it lets you tutor for the win when you need it.

[Zieby]

I think you should read this article.

http://blog.mtgchicago.com/?p=21 from Kobefan. It is a improved Storm deck with tinker DSC as seccond win condition.

Because this deck wants to do the same as you, control the ealy game and win with a tendrils or DSC after that.

Just mi 2 cents

Arjan Bos

[technogeek5000]

@tomjoad: I like all of your changes except getting rid of the colossus. I woulndt mind putting another tinker target in this spot but im pretty sure you need 2 of them to consistently work. I was thinking i could drop colossus altogether and try 1 plat(thanks for the suggestion grapez) and 1 titan because they both control the opponent and are a win con. I used to use dazes back when i played T1 a year ago and they worked for me but i guess times change. ill get rid of them, the gifts, and the 1 truth for duress, mystical, and merchant scroll.

Also is 4 force, 4 drains, 4 duress, and 3 spell snares enough control for the decks out there.

Thanks for the help.

[Zelow]

2 darksteel = bad replace it with better control or draw spells if you run tfks you can allways pitch darksteel to go back into the hand 2 is too much run mind slaver hehe

[hitman]

To even consider playing this list, you're going to need answers to resolved threats or a more robust gameplan.  Engineered Explosives and Powder Keg seem like good inclusions.  Powder Keg is more versatile but slower.  It looks like you just outright punt Workshop matchups so you may want to address that in some manner.  Why not just splash red and play Control Slaver?  Cut the narrow cards and add powerful synergies like Goblin Welder and Thirst for Knowledge.  Cards like Daze and Spell Snare lose a great deal of effectiveness against good players when they know you play them.  Red shores up your weakness to Workshops.

4 Force of will
4 Brainstorm
4 Mana drain
4 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Goblin Welder
2 Misdirection
3 Duress
1 Echoing truth
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Platinum Angel
1 Mindslaver
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Gifts ungiven
1 Tinker
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Yawgmoth's will

5 Moxes
3 Polluted Delta
4 underground sea
3 Flooded Strand
3 Island
2 Volcanic Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault

While not a tuned Slaver list, I just swapped cards you were playing for similar effects and better synergies.  I think you'll find a list like this much more effective at what you're trying to do.