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orgo.love
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« on: March 06, 2008, 02:53:22 am »

Hello. First poster here. I've been playing MWS on-line for a while, but a lot fo the times it's hard to find vintage or legacy games.

1. Is there any other method other than MWS that can start vintage MTG games as easily or quickly? (not MTGO omg paying for virtual cards -_-)


2. One of the biggest reasons I have not gotten seriously into Vintage is the prohibitive cost to seriously start off in Vintage. I.e. even without the power nine, every decent Vintage player should keep a full set of duals, tutors, FoW etc... which adds up to at least $500. I recently learned that there are tournaments which allow proxies. How many proxies are standard?

Basically, if I want to begin participating in real life tournies, just how much should I expect to spend (i.e. from e-bay etc)? What should I watch out for?

Thanks for your input.


By the way, are there any list of "staples" that I should buy to get started?


For a while, I thought ichorid would be perfect. It would cost less than $1000 total, and could be used in Vintage and Legacy-the most expensive card would be the 4 Zaars, and those can be proxied even in 5-proxy events.

However... I see that hardly anyone uses them anymore because they're so easy to hate out...

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 12:02:02 pm »

The median number for proxys allowed in t1 tournaments in the U.S. is 10. Sometimes it's higher and almost never lower. You can also take a look through the tournament annoucement forum to get an idea of what to expect.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2008, 12:09:25 am »

Hello. First poster here. I've been playing MWS on-line for a while, but a lot fo the times it's hard to find vintage or legacy games.

2. One of the biggest reasons I have not gotten seriously into Vintage is the prohibitive cost to seriously start off in Vintage. I.e. even without the power nine, every decent Vintage player should keep a full set of duals, tutors, FoW etc... which adds up to at least $500. I recently learned that there are tournaments which allow proxies. How many proxies are standard?

A full set of Dual Lands is more than enough for one player.  I own basically 4-5 of each blue dual land, and 0-2 of non-blue duals, and that gets spread out amonst 3 players (I play Shops)  It is nice having a 2nd set of Force of Wills (so we run 2 blue decks and one shop deck), but when you invest in Dual Lands and Force of Wills, you can just sell them if you tire of the format.  It's not like T2 staples which go in and out of favor.  Dual lands, Fetches and Forces will always be worth money
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2008, 07:14:53 pm »

Get yourself

4 forces
4 underground seas
4 tropical islands
4 volcanic islands
4 tundras
4 brainstorm
4 polluted delta
4 flooded strand
4 bloodstained mire
1 broodstar
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"Of all the major Vintage archetypes that exist and have existed for a significant period of time, Oath of Druids is basically the only won that has never won Vintage Championships and never will (the other being Dredge, which will never win either)." - Some guy who does not know vintage....
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 08:09:01 pm »

Should I get a full set of tutors too? like:
vampiric tutor
demonic tutor
necropotence

Yawgmoth's will

??

And why broodstar...
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 12:53:09 am »

2c on the most important staples to get in T1 (3=need to get, 1=will cycle in and out of techyness).

*note, this was done hastily from my 'card pool' list.  There's probably some recently released cards that should be added, but most of the 'oldies but goodies' are on here.

Name   
Æther Vial   1
Ensnaring Bridge   1
Granite Shard   1
Jester's Cap   1
Metalworker   1
Orb of Dreams   1
Umezawa's Jitte   1
Mishra's Bauble   1
Engineered Plague   1
Night's Whisper   2
Planar Void   1
Snuff Out   1
Tainted Pact   1
Slaughter Pact   1
Terror   1
Thought Seize   3
Yixlid Jailer   1
Zombie Infestation   1
Hide/Seek   1
Call of the Herd   1
Exploration   1
Krosan Grip   2
Tarmogoyf   2
Trygon Predator   2
Gaddock Teeg   1
Ghost Quarter   1
Horizon Canopy   1
Magus of the Moon   2
Pyrostatic Pillar   2
Seething Song   1
Tin Street Hooligan   1
Circular Logic   1
Counterbalance   1
Flash   1
Pact of Negation   1
Remand   1
Stormscape Apprentice   1
Threads of Disloyalty   2
Trickbind   2
Glowrider   1
Jotün Grunt   1
Kataki Wars Wage   1
Rule Of Law   1
Suppression Field   1
Karn, Silver Golem   2
Pithing Needle   3
Scroll Rack   1
Staff of Domination   1
Sword of Fire and Ice   1
Necrogen Spellbomb   1
Diabolic Edict   1
Ghastly Demise   1
Extirpate   2
Krosan Reclamation   1
Sylvan Scrying   1
Badland   1
Glacial Chasm   1
Firestorm   1
Dead/Gone   1
Sudden Shock   1
Slice and Dice   1
Brain Freeze   1
Hurkyl's Recall   2
Force Spike   1
Sage of Epityr   1
Show and Tell   1
Argivian Find   1
Aura of Silence   1
Orim’s Chant   1
Platinum Angel   2
Engineered Eplosives   3
Powder Keg   2
Life from the Loam   1
Ancient Tomb   1
Bayou   1
Pyroclasm   2
Rack and Ruin   3
Arcane Laboratory   1
Shadow of Doubt   1
Duplicant   2
Myr Servitor   1
Phyrexian Dreadnought   1
Triskelavus   1
Smother   1
Tendrils of Agony   2
Entomb   1
Imperial Seal   2
The Abyss   1
Naturalize   1
Oxidize   2
Channel   1
Bloodstained Mire   2
Academy Ruins   1
Cephalid Coliseum   1
Nomad Stadium   1
Tolaria West   1
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth   1
Form Of The Dragon   1
Rootwater Theif   1
Stifle   2
Black Lotus   3
Black Vise   1
Bosh, Iron Golem   1
Chrome Mox   2
Darksteel Collossus   3
Genesis Chamber   1
Grim Monolith   1
Lion’s Eye Diamond   2
Lotus Petal   3
Mana Crypt   3
Mana Vault   3
Memnarch   1
Memory Jar   3
Mox Diamond   2
Mox Emerald   3
Mox Jet   3
Mox Pearl   3
Mox Ruby   3
Mox Sapphire   3
Razormane Masticore   1
Uba Mask   2
Voltaic Key   1
Coalition Relic   1
Defense Grid   1
Lightning Greaves   1
Pentavus   1
Scrying Glass   1
Sol Ring   3
Solemn Simulacrum   1
Zuran Orb   1
Helm of Awakening   1
Isochron Scepter   1
Mindslaver   2
Sphere of Resistance   2
Winter Orb   1
Æther Spellbomb   1
Chalice of the Void   3
Chromatic Sphere   1
Chromatic Star   1
Conjurer's Bauble   1
Crucible of Worlds   3
Damping Matrix   1
Darksteel Citadel   1
Darksteel Ingot   1
Great Furnace   1
Frogmite   1
Goblin Charbelcher   1
Juggernaut   2
Moonglove Extract   1
Nevinyrral's Disk   1
Null Rod   2
Phyrexian Furnace   1
Possessed Portal   1
Sensei s Divining Top   2
Serum Powder   2
Skullclamp   1
Smokestack   2
Sundering Titan   2
Tree of Tales   1
Tangle Wire   2
Thorn of Amethyst   2
Thought Prison   1
Tormod's Crypt   3
Trinisphere   3
Triskelion   3
Urza's Bauble   1
Pentad Prism   1
Mind's Eye   1
Myr Enforcer   1
Pyrite Spellbomb   1
Ankh of Mishra   1
Arcbound Crusher   1
Arcbound Ravager   1
Arcbound Worker   1
Bottled Cloister   1
Caltrops   1
Claws of Gix   1
Coretapper   1
Cranial Plating   1
Eon Hub   1
Gilded Lotus   1
Goblin Cannon   1
Grafted Skullcap   1
Horn of Greed   1
Illusionary Mask   1
Lodestone Myr   1
Masticore   1
Monkey Cage   1
Myr Retreiver   1
Serrated Arrows   1
Silent Arbiter   1
Spawning Pit   1
Su Chi   1
Time Vault   1
Tsabo's Web   1
Well of Knowledge   1
Seat of the Synod   1
Vault of Whispers   1
Sliver Queen   1
Demonic Consultation   2
Demonic Tutor   3
Mind Twist   1
Necropotence   3
Vampiric Tutor   3
Yawgmoth’s Bargain   3
Yawgmoth's Will   3
Cranial extraction   1
Dance of the Dead   1
Dread Return   1
Ebony Charm   1
Plaguebearer   1
Chains of Mephistopheles   1
Coffin Purge   1
Necromancy   1
Animate Dead   1
Cabal Ritual   2
Cabal Therapy   2
Dark Confidant   3
Dark Ritual   3
Darkblast   1
Disciple of the Vault   1
Duress   3
Echoing Decay   1
Infernal Contract   1
Leyline of the Void   2
Massacre   1
Mesmeric Fiend   1
Skeletal Scrying   2
Withered Wretch   1
Unmask   2
Hymn To Tourach   1
Ashen Ghoul   1
Bone Shredder   1
Carnophage   1
Chainer's Edicts   1
Contamination   1
Corpse Dance   1
Cruel Bargain   1
Crypt Rats   1
Culling the Weak   1
Dauthi Slayer   1
Doomsday   1
Flesh Reaver   1
Grim Tutor   2
Haunting Echoes   1
Hideous laughter   1
Hypnotic Specter   1
Ichorid   1
Ill-gotten Gains   1
Infernal Tutor   1
Last Gasp   1
Nantuko Shade   1
Nether Shadow   1
Nether Void   1
Nezumi Graverobber   1
Night of Souls Betrayal   1
Phage, the Untouchable   1
Phyrexian Negator   1
Putrid Imp   1
Sarcomancy   1
Shred Memory   1
Sinkhole   1
Spirit of the Night   1
Spoils of the Vault   1
Stinkweed Imp   1
Sutured Ghoul   1
Pernicious Deed   1
Putrefy   1
Shambling Shell   1
Terminate   1
Vindicate   1
Berserk   1
Crop Rotation   2
Eternal Witness   1
Fastbond   2
Regrowth   2
Gigapede   1
Sylvan Library   1
Spike Weaver   1
Spike Feeder   1
Woodripper   1
Hidden Gibbons   1
Verdant Force   1
Basking Rootwalla   1
Carpet of Flowers   1
Choke   1
Emerald Charm   1
Gaea’s Blessing   1
Ground Seal   1
Land Grant   1
Oath of Druids   2
Quirian Dryad   1
Root Maze   1
Werebear   1
Wild Mongrel   1
Xantid Swarm   1
River Boa   1
Survival of the Fittest   1
Tinder Wall   1
Elvish Spirit Guide   1
Argothian Wurm   1
Azusa, Lost but Seeking   1
Birds of Paradise   1
Caller of the Claw   1
Elvish Lyrist   1
Elvish Scrapper   1
Food Chain   1
Genesis   1
Glissa Sunseeker   1
Golgari grave-troll   1
Hermit Druid   1
Hidden Guerillas   1
Ifh-Biff Efreet   1
Jungle Lion   1
Kodama of the North Tree   1
Living Wish   1
Moments Peace   1
Nimble Mongoose   1
Plated Slagwurm   1
Quirion Ranger   1
Rancor   1
Seedtime   1
Snap   1
Summoner's Pact   1
Sylvan Safekeeper   1
Uktabi Orangutan   1
Vinelasher Kudzu   1
Viridian Shaman   1
Viridian Zealot   1
Hullbreach   1
Artifact Mutation   1
Boseiju, Who Shelters All   1
Library of Alexandria   2
Strip Mine   3
Tolarian Academy   3
Maze of Ith   1
Ancient Den   1
City of Brass   2
Faerie Conclave   1
Flooded Strand   3
Forbidden Orchard   2
Gemstone Mine   2
Glimmer Void   1
Mishra's Factory   2
Polluted Delta   3
Scrubland   2
Shivan Reef   1
Taiga   2
Tropical Island   3
Underground Sea   3
Volcanic Island   3
Wasteland   3
Windswept Heath   2
Wooded Foothills   2
Tundra   3
Barbarian ring   2
Bazaar of Baghdad   3
Blinkmoth Nexus   1
City of Traitors   1
Crystal Vein   1
Forest   1
Island   1
Karakas   1
Llanowar Wastes   1
Lonely Sandbar   1
Minamo, School at Water’s Edge   1
Mishra's Workshop   3
Mountain   1
Petrified Field   1
Plains   1
Plateau   1
Riftstone Portal   1
Rishadan Port   1
Savanah   1
Snow Covered Island   1
Swamp   1
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale   1
Tarnished Citadel   1
Tendo Ice Bridge   1
Undiscovered Paradise   1
Watery Grave   1
Yavimaya Coast   1
Burning Wish   2
Death Spark   1
Fork   1
Flame Fussilade   1
Fling   1
Fireball   1
Burnout   1
Primitive Justice   1
Recoup   2
Wheel of Fortune   2
Anger   1
Dwarven Blastminer   1
Dragon's Breath   1
Shattering Pulse   2
Overload   1
Ancient Grudge   3
Blood moon   2
Empty the Warrens   2
Flametongue Kavu   2
Goblin Vandal   1
Gorilla Shaman   2
Grim Lavamancer   1
Kird Ape   1
Lightning Bolt   1
Incinerate   1
Meltdown   1
Pyroblast   2
Red Elemantal Blast   3
Simian Spirit Guide   1
Squee, Goblin Nabob   1
Viashino Heretic   2
Worldgorger Dragon   1
Lava Dart   1
Goblin Welder   3
Ancient Hydra   1
Beacon of Destruction   1
Crookshank Kobolds   1
Decree of Pain   1
Echoing Ruin   1
Gempalm Incinerator   1
Goblin Bombardement   1
Goblin Goon   1
Goblin Grenade   1
Goblin King   1
Goblin Lackey   2
Goblin Matron   2
Goblin Piledriver   2
Goblin Recruiter   2
Goblin Ringleader   2
Goblin Sharpshooter   1
Goblin Tinkerer   1
Goblin Warchief   2
Hearth Kami   1
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker   1
Kobolds of Kher Keep   1
Kumano, Master Yamabushi   1
Magma Jet   1
Mogg Fanatic   1
Mogg Salvage   1
Price of Glory   1
Pulverize   1
Rite of Flame   1
Rolling Earthquake   1
Shattering Spree   2
Shivan Hellkite   1
Siege Gang Commander   2
Skirk Prospector   1
Slice and Dice   1
Starstorm   1
Stoneshaker Shaman   1
Sulfuric Vortex   1
Threaten   1
Thunder Dragon   1
Volcanic Spray   1
Words of War   1
Cerebral Vortex   1
Fire/Ice   2
Izzet Guildmage   1
Goblin Trenches   1
Razia, Boros Archangel   1
Ancestral Recall   3
Aquamoeba   1
Peek   1
Dominate   1
Eye of Nowhere   1
Fact of Fiction   2
Flash Counter   1
Frantic Search   2
Mana Leak   1
Power Artifact   1
Meditate   1
Mind’s Desire   2
Mystical Tutor   3
Personal Tutor   1
Rushing River   1
Seal of Removal   1
Braingeyser   1
Stroke Of Genius   1
Time Spiral   1
Time Walk   3
Timetwister   3
Tinker   3
Windfall   1
Wipe Away   1
Ambassador Laquatus   1
Alter Reality   1
Capsize   1
Chill   1
Gilded Drake   1
Lat-Nam's Legacy   1
Hoodwink   1
Submerge   1
Diminishing Returs   1
Tidespout Tyrant   2
Trade Routes   1
Compulsion   1
Future Sight   1
Gifts Ungiven   2
Hydroblast   1
Magus of the Unseen   1
Propaganda   1
Rebuild   2
Seasinger   1
Accumulated Knowledge   2
Miscalculation   1
Annul   1
Back to Basics   1
Blue Elemental Blast   1
Brainstorm   3
Careful Study   1
Chain of Vapor   3
Cloud of Faeries   1
Control Magic   1
Foil   1
Cunning Wish   2
Curiosity   1
Daze   2
Deep Analysis   1
Disrupt   1
Echoing Truth   3
Energy Flux   3
Force of Will   3
Divert   1
Teferi's Response   1
Gush   2
Impulse   1
Intuition   2
Mana Drain   3
Merchant Scroll   3
Misdirection   3
Mystic Remora   1
Ninja of the Deep Hour   1
Nix   1
Ophidian   1
Opt   1
Repeal   1
Serum Visions   1
Sleight of Hand   1
Spell Snare   2
Suq'Ata Firewalker   1
Spiketail Hatchling   1
Standstill   1
Thirst for Knowledge   2
Trinket Mage   2
Waterfront Bouncer   2
Thoughtcast   1
Counterspell   1
Acquire   1
Artificer's Intuition   1
Battle of Wits   1
Boomerang   1
Bribery   1
Dandan   1
Disrupting Shoal   1
Dream Halls   1
Ensnare   1
Erase   1
Erayo Soratami Ascendant   1
Extract   1
Flying Men   1
Forbid   1
Grayscaled Gharial   1
High Tide   1
Hoverguard Sweepers   1
Illusions of Grandeur   1
In The Eye of Chaos   1
Legacy's allure   1
Lord of atlantis   1
Mana Maze   1
Mana Severance   1
Manta Riders   1
March of the machines   1
Meloku the Clouded Mirror   1
Mental Note   1
Mistblade Shinobi   1
Morphling   1
Muddle the Mixture   1
Old Man of the Sea   1
Political Trickery   1
Psionic Blast   1
Quiet Speculation   1
Read the Runes   1
Sigil of Sleep   1
Sower of Temptation   1
Spellstutter Sprite   1
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir   1
Tidal warrior   1
Tolarian Winds   1
Turbulent Dreams   1
Twin Cast   1
Unsummon   1
Voidmage Prodigy   1
Volrath's Shapeshifter   1
Wonder   1
Lim Dul's Vault   1
Dimir Cutpurse   1
Psychatog   2
Perplex   1
Simic Sky Swallower   1
Research/Development   2
Recoil   1
Meddling Mage   1
Angelic Shield   1
Iridescent Angel   1
Phantom Nishoba   1
Akroma, Angel of Wrath   1
Balance   3
Enlightened Tutor   2
Allay   1
Abeyance   1
Decree of Justice   1
Exalted Angel   1
Serenity   2
Academy Rector   2
Auriok Salvagers   1
Aven Mindcensor   2
Disenchant   3
Honor the Fallen   1
Ray of Revelation   2
Sacred Ground   1
Seal of Cleansing   2
Sword to Plowshares   3
Abolish   1
Absolute Law   1
Aura Fracture   1
Blazing Archon   1
Devout Witness   1
Dismantling Blow   1
Icatian Javelineer   1
Isumaru, Hound of Konda   1
Kami of Ancient Law   1
Land Tax   1
Moat   1
Pristine Angel   1
Replenish   1
Samurai of the Pale Curtain   1
Savannah Lions   1
Silver Knight   1
True Believer   1
Weathered Wayfarer   1
Whipcorder   1
Sorted by importance (irrelevant of cost)

Thought Seize   3
Pithing Needle   3
Engineered Eplosives   3
Rack and Ruin   3
Black Lotus   3
Darksteel Collossus   3
Lotus Petal   3
Mana Crypt   3
Mana Vault   3
Memory Jar   3
Mox Emerald   3
Mox Jet   3
Mox Pearl   3
Mox Ruby   3
Mox Sapphire   3
Sol Ring   3
Chalice of the Void   3
Crucible of Worlds   3
Tormod's Crypt   3
Trinisphere   3
Triskelion   3
Demonic Tutor   3
Necropotence   3
Vampiric Tutor   3
Yawgmoth’s Bargain   3
Yawgmoth's Will   3
Dark Confidant   3
Dark Ritual   3
Duress   3
Strip Mine   3
Tolarian Academy   3
Flooded Strand   3
Polluted Delta   3
Tropical Island   3
Underground Sea   3
Volcanic Island   3
Wasteland   3
Tundra   3
Bazaar of Baghdad   3
Mishra's Workshop   3
Ancient Grudge   3
Red Elemantal Blast   3
Goblin Welder   3
Ancestral Recall   3
Mystical Tutor   3
Time Walk   3
Timetwister   3
Tinker   3
Brainstorm   3
Chain of Vapor   3
Echoing Truth   3
Energy Flux   3
Force of Will   3
Mana Drain   3
Merchant Scroll   3
Misdirection   3
Balance   3
Disenchant   3
Sword to Plowshares   3
Night's Whisper   2
Krosan Grip   2
Tarmogoyf   2
Trygon Predator   2
Magus of the Moon   2
Pyrostatic Pillar   2
Threads of Disloyalty   2
Trickbind   2
Karn, Silver Golem   2
Extirpate   2
Hurkyl's Recall   2
Platinum Angel   2
Powder Keg   2
Pyroclasm   2
Duplicant   2
Tendrils of Agony   2
Imperial Seal   2
Oxidize   2
Bloodstained Mire   2
Stifle   2
Chrome Mox   2
Lion’s Eye Diamond   2
Mox Diamond   2
Uba Mask   2
Mindslaver   2
Sphere of Resistance   2
Juggernaut   2
Null Rod   2
Sensei s Divining Top   2
Serum Powder   2
Smokestack   2
Sundering Titan   2
Tangle Wire   2
Thorn of Amethyst   2
Demonic Consultation   2
Cabal Ritual   2
Cabal Therapy   2
Leyline of the Void   2
Skeletal Scrying   2
Unmask   2
Grim Tutor   2
Crop Rotation   2
Fastbond   2
Regrowth   2
Oath of Druids   2
Library of Alexandria   2
City of Brass   2
Forbidden Orchard   2
Gemstone Mine   2
Mishra's Factory   2
Scrubland   2
Taiga   2
Windswept Heath   2
Wooded Foothills   2
Barbarian ring   2
Burning Wish   2
Recoup   2
Wheel of Fortune   2
Shattering Pulse   2
Blood moon   2
Empty the Warrens   2
Flametongue Kavu   2
Gorilla Shaman   2
Pyroblast   2
Viashino Heretic   2
Goblin Lackey   2
Goblin Matron   2
Goblin Piledriver   2
Goblin Recruiter   2
Goblin Ringleader   2
Goblin Warchief   2
Shattering Spree   2
Siege Gang Commander   2
Fire/Ice   2
Fact of Fiction   2
Frantic Search   2
Mind’s Desire   2
Tidespout Tyrant   2
Gifts Ungiven   2
Rebuild   2
Accumulated Knowledge   2
Cunning Wish   2
Daze   2
Gush   2
Intuition   2
Spell Snare   2
Thirst for Knowledge   2
Trinket Mage   2
Waterfront Bouncer   2
Psychatog   2
Research/Development   2
Enlightened Tutor   2
Serenity   2
Academy Rector   2
Aven Mindcensor   2
Ray of Revelation   2
Seal of Cleansing   2
Æther Vial   1
Ensnaring Bridge   1
Granite Shard   1
Jester's Cap   1
Metalworker   1
Orb of Dreams   1
Umezawa's Jitte   1
Mishra's Bauble   1
Engineered Plague   1
Planar Void   1
Snuff Out   1
Tainted Pact   1
Slaughter Pact   1
Terror   1
Yixlid Jailer   1
Zombie Infestation   1
Hide/Seek   1
Call of the Herd   1
Exploration   1
Gaddock Teeg   1
Ghost Quarter   1
Horizon Canopy   1
Seething Song   1
Tin Street Hooligan   1
Circular Logic   1
Counterbalance   1
Flash   1
Pact of Negation   1
Remand   1
Stormscape Apprentice   1
Glowrider   1
Jotün Grunt   1
Kataki Wars Wage   1
Rule Of Law   1
Suppression Field   1
Scroll Rack   1
Staff of Domination   1
Sword of Fire and Ice   1
Necrogen Spellbomb   1
Diabolic Edict   1
Ghastly Demise   1
Krosan Reclamation   1
Sylvan Scrying   1
Badland   1
Glacial Chasm   1
Firestorm   1
Dead/Gone   1
Sudden Shock   1
Slice and Dice   1
Brain Freeze   1
Force Spike   1
Sage of Epityr   1
Show and Tell   1
Argivian Find   1
Aura of Silence   1
Orim’s Chant   1
Life from the Loam   1
Ancient Tomb   1
Bayou   1
Arcane Laboratory   1
Shadow of Doubt   1
Myr Servitor   1
Phyrexian Dreadnought   1
Triskelavus   1
Smother   1
Entomb   1
The Abyss   1
Naturalize   1
Channel   1
Academy Ruins   1
Cephalid Coliseum   1
Nomad Stadium   1
Tolaria West   1
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth   1
Form Of The Dragon   1
Rootwater Theif   1
Black Vise   1
Bosh, Iron Golem   1
Genesis Chamber   1
Grim Monolith   1
Memnarch   1
Razormane Masticore   1
Voltaic Key   1
Coalition Relic   1
Defense Grid   1
Lightning Greaves   1
Pentavus   1
Scrying Glass   1
Solemn Simulacrum   1
Zuran Orb   1
Helm of Awakening   1
Isochron Scepter   1
Winter Orb   1
Æther Spellbomb   1
Chromatic Sphere   1
Chromatic Star   1
Conjurer's Bauble   1
Damping Matrix   1
Darksteel Citadel   1
Darksteel Ingot   1
Great Furnace   1
Frogmite   1
Goblin Charbelcher   1
Moonglove Extract   1
Nevinyrral's Disk   1
Phyrexian Furnace   1
Possessed Portal   1
Skullclamp   1
Tree of Tales   1
Thought Prison   1
Urza's Bauble   1
Pentad Prism   1
Mind's Eye   1
Myr Enforcer   1
Pyrite Spellbomb   1
Ankh of Mishra   1
Arcbound Crusher   1
Arcbound Ravager   1
Arcbound Worker   1
Bottled Cloister   1
Caltrops   1
Claws of Gix   1
Coretapper   1
Cranial Plating   1
Eon Hub   1
Gilded Lotus   1
Goblin Cannon   1
Grafted Skullcap   1
Horn of Greed   1
Illusionary Mask   1
Lodestone Myr   1
Masticore   1
Monkey Cage   1
Myr Retreiver   1
Serrated Arrows   1
Silent Arbiter   1
Spawning Pit   1
Su Chi   1
Time Vault   1
Tsabo's Web   1
Well of Knowledge   1
Seat of the Synod   1
Vault of Whispers   1
Sliver Queen   1
Mind Twist   1
Cranial extraction   1
Dance of the Dead   1
Dread Return   1
Ebony Charm   1
Plaguebearer   1
Chains of Mephistopheles   1
Coffin Purge   1
Necromancy   1
Animate Dead   1
Darkblast   1
Disciple of the Vault   1
Echoing Decay   1
Infernal Contract   1
Massacre   1
Mesmeric Fiend   1
Withered Wretch   1
Hymn To Tourach   1
Ashen Ghoul   1
Bone Shredder   1
Carnophage   1
Chainer's Edicts   1
Contamination   1
Corpse Dance   1
Cruel Bargain   1
Crypt Rats   1
Culling the Weak   1
Dauthi Slayer   1
Doomsday   1
Flesh Reaver   1
Haunting Echoes   1
Hideous laughter   1
Hypnotic Specter   1
Ichorid   1
Ill-gotten Gains   1
Infernal Tutor   1
Last Gasp   1
Nantuko Shade   1
Nether Shadow   1
Nether Void   1
Nezumi Graverobber   1
Night of Souls Betrayal   1
Phage, the Untouchable   1
Phyrexian Negator   1
Putrid Imp   1
Sarcomancy   1
Shred Memory   1
Sinkhole   1
Spirit of the Night   1
Spoils of the Vault   1
Stinkweed Imp   1
Sutured Ghoul   1
Pernicious Deed   1
Putrefy   1
Shambling Shell   1
Terminate   1
Vindicate   1
Berserk   1
Eternal Witness   1
Gigapede   1
Sylvan Library   1
Spike Weaver   1
Spike Feeder   1
Woodripper   1
Hidden Gibbons   1
Verdant Force   1
Basking Rootwalla   1
Carpet of Flowers   1
Choke   1
Emerald Charm   1
Gaea’s Blessing   1
Ground Seal   1
Land Grant   1
Quirian Dryad   1
Root Maze   1
Werebear   1
Wild Mongrel   1
Xantid Swarm   1
River Boa   1
Survival of the Fittest   1
Tinder Wall   1
Elvish Spirit Guide   1
Argothian Wurm   1
Azusa, Lost but Seeking   1
Birds of Paradise   1
Caller of the Claw   1
Elvish Lyrist   1
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Food Chain   1
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Glissa Sunseeker   1
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Hermit Druid   1
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Ifh-Biff Efreet   1
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Kodama of the North Tree   1
Living Wish   1
Moments Peace   1
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Plated Slagwurm   1
Quirion Ranger   1
Rancor   1
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Summoner's Pact   1
Sylvan Safekeeper   1
Uktabi Orangutan   1
Vinelasher Kudzu   1
Viridian Shaman   1
Viridian Zealot   1
Hullbreach   1
Artifact Mutation   1
Boseiju, Who Shelters All   1
Maze of Ith   1
Ancient Den   1
Faerie Conclave   1
Glimmer Void   1
Shivan Reef   1
Blinkmoth Nexus   1
City of Traitors   1
Crystal Vein   1
Forest   1
Island   1
Karakas   1
Llanowar Wastes   1
Lonely Sandbar   1
Minamo, School at Water’s Edge   1
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Plateau   1
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Rishadan Port   1
Savanah   1
Snow Covered Island   1
Swamp   1
Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale   1
Tarnished Citadel   1
Tendo Ice Bridge   1
Undiscovered Paradise   1
Watery Grave   1
Yavimaya Coast   1
Death Spark   1
Fork   1
Flame Fussilade   1
Fling   1
Fireball   1
Burnout   1
Primitive Justice   1
Anger   1
Dwarven Blastminer   1
Dragon's Breath   1
Overload   1
Goblin Vandal   1
Grim Lavamancer   1
Kird Ape   1
Lightning Bolt   1
Incinerate   1
Meltdown   1
Simian Spirit Guide   1
Squee, Goblin Nabob   1
Worldgorger Dragon   1
Lava Dart   1
Ancient Hydra   1
Beacon of Destruction   1
Crookshank Kobolds   1
Decree of Pain   1
Echoing Ruin   1
Gempalm Incinerator   1
Goblin Bombardement   1
Goblin Goon   1
Goblin Grenade   1
Goblin King   1
Goblin Sharpshooter   1
Goblin Tinkerer   1
Hearth Kami   1
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker   1
Kobolds of Kher Keep   1
Kumano, Master Yamabushi   1
Magma Jet   1
Mogg Fanatic   1
Mogg Salvage   1
Price of Glory   1
Pulverize   1
Rite of Flame   1
Rolling Earthquake   1
Shivan Hellkite   1
Skirk Prospector   1
Slice and Dice   1
Starstorm   1
Stoneshaker Shaman   1
Sulfuric Vortex   1
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Thunder Dragon   1
Volcanic Spray   1
Words of War   1
Cerebral Vortex   1
Izzet Guildmage   1
Goblin Trenches   1
Razia, Boros Archangel   1
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Peek   1
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Eye of Nowhere   1
Flash Counter   1
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Power Artifact   1
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Rushing River   1
Seal of Removal   1
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Alter Reality   1
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Gilded Drake   1
Lat-Nam's Legacy   1
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Diminishing Returs   1
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Magus of the Unseen   1
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Annul   1
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Cloud of Faeries   1
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Mystic Remora   1
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2008, 04:01:55 pm »

The average number of proxies seems to be around 10 right now. Some tournies are 5 + $1 for each additional, which is pretty cool and adds to the prize pool, but I think most places are moving towards 10 as a standard.

As far as where to start in terms of card acquisition, you can go about it a couple of different intelligent ways.

Method 1) Choose a relatively inexpensive deck like Dredge, or a deck with many cards that overlap in other formats you try to play, and try to bang out those cards pretty quickly. Analyze what a specific block of cards will cost you. With the TK/ELD version of Dredge (with mana), for example, these cards can also be played in the Legacy and Extended versions (prices are what you should be paying on eBay if you're patient):
4 Ichorid - $10/playset
4 Bridge From Below - $12/playset
4 Narcomoeba - $2/playset
4 Stinkweed Imp - $2/playset
4 Golgari Grave-Troll - $6/playset
1 Cephalid Sage - $.50 each
1 Angel of Despair - $2 each
1 Flame-Kin Zealot - $.50 each
4 Careful Study - $2/playset
4 Breakthrough - $3/playset
3 Dread Return - $.75 each
4 Gemstone Mine - $12/playset
4 City of Brass - $10/playset
4 Cephalid Coliseum - $4/playset
SB: 4 Leyline of the Void - $30/playset
SB: 4 Chain of Vapor - $4/playset
SB: 3 Emerald Charm - $.50 each
SB: 4 Contagion - $.50 each

That's US$105.75 for the core of the deck and sideboard, which is playable in 3 formats. Now you can add stuff to that, depending on what you want to sideboard like, and what you want to proxy:
1 Black Lotus - $650/PROXY
1 Ancestral Recall - $375/PROXY
1 Mox Sapphire - $350/PROXY
1 Lotus Petal - $1.50/PROXY
1 Lion's Eye Diamond - $10/PROXY
4 Bazaar of Baghdad - $640/playset/PROXY

So that's 9 proxies total, bringing you below the increasingly standard threshold of 10. If you want to invest more money (like for 4 Lion's Eye Diamonds, or $40 total), you could drop the deck into Legacy. You could also potentially spend $10 each on a few Pithing Needles if you chose to run that in your board.

Method 2) Acquire staples for the format when you can get true value. What I mean by this is, don't just go looking for cards you want, but rather acquire something you'll actually use whenever you're getting good value. For example, if a set of 4 Flooded Strands regularly goes for $52/playset, and you can trade into a set for about $44, you buy them, because you're getting good value. Try to focus on picking up cards for value, and ones that are playable in other formats as well (increasing the likelihood their value will be buoyed by more playability); for example Dark Confidant, fetchlands, etc. This way, if you decide to scrap your plan for Vintage, you can trade out of the cards more easily, and retain value.


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