Coerce / Inhibit

[TheFram]

I thought it would be cool to do another split card, and this was on my mind. I felt like mixing it up and having the sides be different types of spells, though still fitting the same color.

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Coerce

Sorcery

Target player reveals his or her hand.
Choose a noncreature, nonland card from it.
That player discards that card.
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Deter
{W}
Instant

Until end of turn, target player
can't play instants or sorceries.

Draw a card.
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Essentially its a down-powered Duress coupled with a weakened Abeyance, both of which are misdirectable (i think i even worded Coerce so that you would have to find a card to discard in your hand if it was misd'd). I made Deter cost 3 to avoid scepter, since Duress+abeyance on scepter is likely much too good.[/code]

[TheFram]

Current wording

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Coerce

Sorcery

Target player reveals his or her hand.
Choose a noncreature, nonland card from it.
That player discards that card.
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Inhibit
{W}
Instant

Until end of turn, target player
can't play instants or sorceries.

Draw a card.
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[brendan]

Looks good. You can still imprint it on a scepter because one half of it has CMC <=2, and once it is imprinted you can play either half off the scepter. I don't see a problem with that though.

[Dr. Sylvan]

I'm pretty sure Avi is right: Scepter can only imprint if the Instant side of the card is cmc<=2. So this cannot be imprinted.

Cool card. I can't think of any changes. It's the perfect split card: each side is too weak on its own, but together the flexibility of the card could cause it to see play.

[TheFram]

Are the names good?
Should there be flavor text?
Is there room for flavor text on the split cards?

Also, does someone know for sure about the scepter rules with a card like this?

-TheFram

[Kowal]

I like the names, Deter sounds more blue.  Maybe something with the word "Ward" would be more appropriate.

[TheFram]

Choices for the white half

Deter
Inhibit
Impede
Restrict
Abrogate?
Obstruct?
Constrain?
Ward?

[Dr. Sylvan]

From http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/satschoolarchive&term=isochron_scepter

Q: I see that I'm allowed to imprint Fire/Ice on Isochron Scepter but I don't understand why. I thought the converted mana cost of that card was 4.

A: The converted mana cost of Fire/Ice is actually "2 and 2". Each side has a separate mana cost, both of which are 2. The Scepter asks if the converted mana cost of the card is 2 or less, and since at least one side says "yes", the card can be imprinted

You're probably confused by the different ways costs are treated. If you do an action based on the mana cost of a split card, you will do that action twice. (For example, Pain/Suffering has mana cost "1 and 4". If you reveal it for Planeswalker's Mirth, you will gain 1 life and 4 life, for a total of 5.)

If an effect tests a split card's converted mana cost for some quality, then it will be satisfied if either side has that quality.

(For example, if somebody casts Void on you when Pain/Suffering is in your hand, you will discard it if the player chose either 1 or 4.)

Isochron Scepter is testing the cost of the card, not using it to do an action, so it will be satisfied if either side has converted mana cost 2 or less.

Avi and I are mistaken. You could imprint this on Scepter, because the conditions are each met by at least one side of the card. I don't see that as broken, though, so I don't think it forces us to up the mana cost.

[Kowal]

I really like Obstruct.  I think you should go with that one.

[RoadTrippin]

Intercede sounds pretty catchy.

[TheFram]

This is probably better than Fire/Ice on the scepter, and it's definitely better than abeyance on a scepter (aside from not stopping tog growings and welding). However, the fact that it's not blue makes it less generally good than fire/ice, so it might be balanced.


As for the misdirectability i added to Coerce, if it get's misd'd, does the player need to take a card from his own hand? I wanted to weaken it sufficiently that they would.

-thefram

[TheFram]

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Coerce

Sorcery

Target player reveals his or her hand.
Choose a noncreature, nonland card from it.
That player discards that card.
///////////////////////////////////////////
Inhibit
{W}
Instant

Until end of turn, target player
can't play instants or sorceries.

Draw a card.
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For some reason I cannot edit my posts in this particular part of the forum, so here is the current card

[Jacob Orlove]

From http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/satschoolarchive&term=isochron_scepter

Q: I see that I'm allowed to imprint Fire/Ice on Isochron Scepter but I don't understand why. I thought the converted mana cost of that card was 4.

A: The converted mana cost of Fire/Ice is actually "2 and 2". Each side has a separate mana cost, both of which are 2. The Scepter asks if the converted mana cost of the card is 2 or less, and since at least one side says "yes", the card can be imprinted

You're probably confused by the different ways costs are treated. If you do an action based on the mana cost of a split card, you will do that action twice. (For example, Pain/Suffering has mana cost "1 and 4". If you reveal it for Planeswalker's Mirth, you will gain 1 life and 4 life, for a total of 5.)

If an effect tests a split card's converted mana cost for some quality, then it will be satisfied if either side has that quality.

(For example, if somebody casts Void on you when Pain/Suffering is in your hand, you will discard it if the player chose either 1 or 4.)

Isochron Scepter is testing the cost of the card, not using it to do an action, so it will be satisfied if either side has converted mana cost 2 or less.

Avi and I are mistaken. You could imprint this on Scepter, because the conditions are each met by at least one side of the card. I don't see that as broken, though, so I don't think it forces us to up the mana cost.

Actually, you were right before. The scepter checks each half separately, and as long as one half fits completely, both can go on. You can never use the scepter to cast imprinted sorceries, though, even with a split card, so this can't possibly work with a scepter.

[TheFram]

Good, that was the intended effect.

Thanks Jacob

[brendan]

Yeah whoops, I didn't notice that Coerce was a sorcery, which of course it is.

Why can't I edit my own posts? Argh!

"Edit" issue fixed.
-- Toad

[TheFram]

Thanks to the mods for allowing the edit function back into this forum.

Ok, so question for Matt and Kaervek (and other CC forum ppl):

Is this a card that could fit in the set, or should I have the mods close the topic?

-TheFram

[Jacob Orlove]

It can certainly go on the master list. I'm not sure if we'll have room in our first set, but we might be able to expand this into a large cycle for our second or third sets.

[TheFram]

So 24 Hr clock going now?

-Thefram