Isokeeper

[Magu_]

Hy there

First of all, it's not really a keeper, I know but that's the closest way to discribe it.

Anyway it will play with the new restrictions.

Lands: (16)

4x Underground
2x Tundra
3x Island
1x Swamp
3x Flooded
3x Poluted

Mana: (6)

1x Black Lotus
2x Mox Jet/Saphire
1x Sol Ring
1x Chrome Mox
1x Lotus Petal

Draw: (7)

1x Brainstorm
1x Recall
1x Gush
4x D. Confident


Disturb: (21)

4x FoW
2x Mana Leak
2x Counterspell
2x Sword to Plowshares
3x Duress
2x Isochron
1x Stifle
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Cunning Wish
2x Echoing Truth
1x Tormod's Crypt

Win: (3)
2x Tinker / Angel
1x Morphling

Broken: (7)

5x Demonic / Vamp / Mystical / Enlighted / Scroll
1x Time Walk
1x Balance

SB: (15)
2x Sword to Plowshares
2x Engineered Plague
4x Energy Flux
1x hurkyl's Recall
4x Planar Void
1x Echoing Truth
1x Stifle

I'm not really happy with the build right now, some thoughts about it:

- I'm not Playing the Tendrills Kill because I expect a lot of Controll
- I don't know for what to play wishes, there doesn't seem to be any real target
- I play white over red, mainly because of Swords & Humility
- I do not play Will because it coudln't really bring something with this Mana base.
- I this Deck is Semipowered, just because I do not have the Power and can just prox 5.
- I'm not sure about Mana Leak/Counterspell I'm just scared of Magus...
- I know I have way to less draw in this Deck, I was thinking about Impulse, but what to cut?
- I play Angel over DSC because of first game Ichorid and Confident.

I know it's not a perfect Build but it may gonna go off in this time with no real Meta at the Moment.

I hope for some Impressions from you, and sorry about the many errors, which are may be in the text, but english isn't my mothertongue.

Cya

Magu_

[Magu_]

Wow

This surprise me, nobody has at least any comment to the deck?

This really does suprise me, according trough the fact that this deck was played in an other form bevore...

[Lemnear]

You should not be surprised ... I guess that most of the readers are not attracted by your post due to it's grade of information and inovation. A bit more comments 'bout several descisions would help. And here it starts ... I'm not sure if you did a bit brainstorming 'bout this deck before posting 'cause a whole bunch of descisions seems not to make really sence to me.

1. You run Petal and Chrome mox instead of off-color moxen. I can't see, why you want 2 clored mana on turn one when you run masses of 2cc spells that need only one colored like confident/Iso/leak. Moreover Chromemox creates carddisadvantage that's letal for control

2. running Isochron. Why put those into a deck that lack on quantity of imprintable spells? Running 1 Stifle and only one StoP make it even more worse especially if you run humility that makes no sence due to your killoptions. gush as one-off is useless like many other cards in this build to. Humility + Tinker/Platz/Morphling give me a doubt you even think about synergy in this deck ... dismissing mana drain in favor of counterpell with a bunch of cards in the deck able to use the drained mana like platz hardcasting etc. leaves me headshaking.

3. etc. etc. etc.

I'll stop to continue here. Sure I'm aware of the fact that you might me semi-powered but try a bit more solid build -> other keeper threads in the forum. Please go more in detail due to your decisions so there's space to discuss 'bout the details. Guess there are too much weaknesses in this build and no direct questions according specific cards so posts to this topic will seem like smashing the whole deck or look like flaming (may my post looks like too, so I apology). I see myself forced to type thousands of words trying to make this deck "better", I won't do apart form my column so I guess it will raise more traffic to ask specific questions instead of post'n a bunch of cards.

PS: Keeper was successful years ago before combo raises and it was simply too slow to compete. I would develope it into a slowing direction via sets of stifles/Swords and duress effects maybe even drains. If you want to run Iso you should basically increase the quantity of imprintable instants maybe by running intuition+accumultated knowledge(imprint Iso?) to create a drawengine this deck lacks by far to be called control. Confident is not efficient enought to do it. Moreover drain+Intuition is very strong....

[Magu_]

First of all, thx that at least somebody answer me. I can live with critism. But I did think bevore I posted this deck here.

Anyway. I play this Deck Semipowerd mainly becaue of the reason I do not have any power and there are only 5 Prox allowed. The same stands for Drains.

Humility was a bad choice, I agree. I was also thinking about going to Red with Fire/Ice and a lot of side cards...

I do not think, that I run to less option to imprent in Iso. With Echoing/Counterspell/Swords/Recall or even Hurkyl's.

I totally agree that I have way to less draw in my deck, but with Brainstorm restricted there is a problem, I don't want to use Intuition/AK without fullpower or Drain. I think the best would be Impulse in this case. But as I wrote what to cut?

And I'm sure it was to slow bevore, but the meta is slowing down after the restrictions.



And last I never said this is gonna rule the format, I just asked you guys for some improvment at this Deck. I'm also aware of the fact, that a fullpowered Metalworker or Mono B Aggro is much better

[BruiZar]

Try to create the perfect build including power or any cards you may never be able to acquire. After that you can always look for alternatives for power should you lack it. This way the conversations can start and the list can be looked at seriously.

Right now I predict a lot of players are thinking the choice of certain cards are argumented by a lack of money for better cards, which undermines the discussion you want to have.

do
make a good deck, then scale power down

don't
make a bad deck

Good luck with your list!

[Lemnear]

I would agree with the fact that Intuition+Knowledge is a good engine for fullpower with drains. semipowered it's not impressive. I would try at least a Mana Crypt for the bad mox or the petal. For the draw ... maybe Night's Whisper is an option to add as drawengine

[Anusien]

You have a ton of randomnes maindeck like Hurkyl's Recall and Stifle.  Also, I can't imagine Dark Confidant being the right choice now in a field of Ichorid and aggro and combo.  Speaking of which, what do you do against Ichorid; I'm not sure 4 Planar Void is enough.  It just seems like you didn't know the right answers to a lot of questions so you put a lot of randomness in, like a 2/2 split on Counterspell and Mana Leak, or 2 Echoing Truth.  Also, I imagine either Isochron Scepter is worth playing and you should have 3-4, or you want none.

[Lurker101]

Why not play Orim's Chant to shut down aggro? You might want to check out some Scepter chant lists for reference.

[Lemnear]

Chant is a method but not even legacy stucks to it due to the presence of needle, stifle etc. shutt'n down Szepter. Moreover bounce is omnipresent in Vintage so you might "loose" 2 crads out of an opponents chain of vapor. I would really drop the Szepter.