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Author Topic: Comes into play ability + leaving play on the stack  (Read 2848 times)
Hellsing293
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« on: October 05, 2008, 09:24:19 pm »

Ok, well I'm unsure if I could manipulate the stack to take advantage of comes into play and leaves play abilities.

Example:

Faceless Butcher
BB2     Creature      2/2

When Faceless Butcher comes into play, remove target creature other than Faceless Butcher from the game.
When Faceless Butcher leaves play, return the removed card to play under its owner's control.

If I was to use echoing truth, can I make the stack look like this?:

play Faceless Butch,
Top
Echoing Truth
Leaves play return creature
Comes into play RFG creature
Bottom

If this is possible, then can it also be done with cards like Momentary Blink replacing Echoing Truth?  Also, coudn't Oblivion Ring replace Faceless Butcher?

Sorry if I made this seem confusing.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 09:43:18 pm »

You play Faceless Butcher, it resolves and comes into play, and then its 'when this comes into play' ability triggers. If you respond to that trigger with Echoing Truth, then when that resolves, Faceless Butcher's 'when this leaves play' ability will trigger, and resolve before the 'when this comes into play' ability, removing the creature permanently(-ish).

In short, yes it works, and it can be done with Oblivion Ring or Mesmeric Fiend (for example) instead of Faceless Butcher, and Echoing Truth could be replaced with Unsummon, Boomerang, Momentary Blink, Liberate, Waterfront Bouncer etc.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 11:24:28 pm »

All right, thank you.  I thought it worked like that, but I haven't played competitive magic in a while(not that I plan on playing competitively with these cards) so I'm a little shaky on my stack.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 09:47:00 am »

Some of these cards don't work.  For example, look at Stalking Yeti:
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Stalking Yeti {2RR} |Snow Creature -- Yeti| 3/3. When Stalking Yeti comes into play, if it's in play, it deals damage equal to its power to target creature an opponent controls and that creature deals damage equal to its power to Stalking Yeti. / 2S: Return Stalking Yeti to its owner's hand. Play this ability only any time you could play a sorcery.

Some cards were errata'ed to not work this way by the use of the intervening if clause "if it's in play".  Faceless Butcher doesn't have this clause, so you can do it.
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