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« on: July 01, 2009, 12:09:54 am »

ok i don't know why i was playing god aweful standard but i was and a bad situation arised. i played a tribal rogue deck.

the situation was i had two cloak and daggers on the table and a bitterblossem. the turn before my opponent knocks out all my creatures with firespout. so my turn starts and bitterblossem puts a rogue faire into play the two equipement cloak and daggers trigger.

they give a creature +2/+0 and shroud. they also have triggered ability when a rogue comes into play you may attach cloak and dagger to that rogue. (specifically they say attach CandD to it). no where but the equip ability do i see any hit of targeting being labeled. how ever i don't fully understand the rules of the phrase attach. my understanding was attach was the same as aura affecting a creature for enchantments, and equipement was just the super type name.

so my opponent says you cannot attach a second cloak and dagger after the first one resolves because the first triggered ability resolving gave the creature shroud. but the trigger ability doesn't target it directly in its wording. second both triggered with a legal target to begin with.

so i'm wondering am i right and they both attach or is my opponent right and they have somewhere in the rules a targeting issue that we couldn't find that prevents both from attaching?

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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 03:01:04 am »

The triggered ability does not target.  So the Rogue having shroud (be it from another Cloak and Dagger or anything else) will not prevent the trigger from attaching cloak and dagger to it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 09:51:25 pm »

does this also apply to dragons breath along the same lines with its triggered ability? can it circumvent shroud? also just to brush up on my rule, if a creature has say a black enchantment on it and you cast something like blackward giving it protection from black it will cause that black enchantment to be forced off it right?
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2009, 05:54:04 pm »

Dragon Breath also does not target when coming from the grave, so yes it would work.

As for your second question, see the Oracle text on White Ward:

"Enchanted creature has protection from white. This effect doesn't remove White Ward." 

If it weren't for the second sentence, the color-protection would cause it to be removed.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 08:43:58 pm »

sorry the wording messing with me a little bit. but you are saying-

"if you give a creature with an enchantment on it the "protection of the color" the enchantment is the protection forces the enchantment off"?
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2009, 04:12:48 am »

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702.14c. A permanent or player with protection can't be enchanted by Auras that have the stated quality. Such Auras attached to the permanent or player with protection will be put into their owners' graveyards as a state-based action. (See rule 704, "State-Based Actions.")
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