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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2010, 02:12:40 am »

Well, most of the cards i have listed are playable if the right deck supports it. Besides, the list I have provided follows the requirements stated in the start of the thread by "TheWhiteDragon". The cards may not seem practicle but if it comes down to it, Brilliant Ultimatum would clearly have the upper hand on Minds Desire. If you were to draw cruel ultimatum with tons of mana in play and no cards in hand, it still nets you more cards than Minds Desire would on its own. . .but we are not here to discuss how broken Minds Desire is, I stand by my list...Plus, SORIN MARKOV does what tendrils fails to otherwise do on its own,win!OMG What if...Minds Desire flips SORIN! LOL 
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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 07:12:04 pm »

While many of the cards listed are cards that require nothing but mana to finish, they don't by them selves kill your opponent in 1-2 turns unless a barage of other cards have whittled their life away to nothing.  All the cards on the list will end the game in 2 or less turns by themselves regardless of any spells or damage that has been issued prior.  A death spark can "end the game", but that is not what this list is looking for.  Game enders in and of themselves, not game finishers on the back of a preceding beatdown.

Iona is close in that she shuts off retaliation while taking THREE turns to win on her own.  Sundering titan has a similar effect.  But, I feel two turns is an appropriate cuttoff, otherwise we get into the slope of any creature with power X or greater.
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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 08:51:57 pm »

So you're going to list DSC instead of the strictly better robots?
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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2010, 10:58:07 pm »

It is possible that most good Vintage players will know most of the obvious cards, but this thread will flesh out the not so obvious ones.  

Still waiting for this to happen.   Wink

Think with the mindframe of "If I had no hand, a buttload of mana, nothing but lands/moxen in play, and my opponent just tormod's crypted me, what card could I topdeck that wins me the game in the next 2 turns?"

So, you are assuming you are on top deck mode, mana flooded, no grave yard and are wondering what you can draw that will lead you the way to a win?  The answer is nothing.   

Saying that Barren Glory makes the cut, but tendrils, or ETW, doesnt make the cut is contradicting at best. They are all cards you would have to build around. Speaking of Barren Glory, do you really think this card would ever win a game of type 1?  Can we add a new rule to the criteria of one-card-wins? Realistically possible.  

Game enders in and of themselves

Nothing really fits this criteria.  Not to rain on your parade or anything, but you seem to forget that some cards are good because of already powerful and frequently played cards.

I still feel as if this thread isn't adding anything useful or new
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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2010, 11:28:08 pm »

"Buttload of mana" you say... how about Rude Awakening?  I'm sorry, is anyone getting anything out of this discussion?

The problem with the premise here is that you're looking for things that are 'good' in situations unlikely to come up in Vintage.  Can Rude Awakening win games in the situation you describe?  Yes.  Will it win as many games as more efficient and resilient win conditions?  No.  If Rude Awakening were competitive it would be a part of the metagame.  If you want to scour Gatherer for some novel win condition you think the community has missed (like Leyline/Helm), please do.  If you find something worthwhile, that the metagame is also not already accounting for, you will be well positioned to win an event.  Good luck.

The rest of us will continue to make incremental improvements in decks' support structures around the already known and proven 'powerful' cards.
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.

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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2010, 11:28:46 pm »


Think with the mindframe of "If I had no hand, a buttload of mana, nothing but lands/moxen in play, and my opponent just tormod's crypted me, what card could I topdeck that wins me the game in the next 2 turns?"

So, you are assuming you are on top deck mode, mana flooded, no grave yard and are wondering what you can draw that will lead you the way to a win?  The answer is nothing.   



Doug, Bro, he's clearly playing inf stack.
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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2010, 11:32:10 pm »


Think with the mindframe of "If I had no hand, a buttload of mana, nothing but lands/moxen in play, and my opponent just tormod's crypted me, what card could I topdeck that wins me the game in the next 2 turns?"

So, you are assuming you are on top deck mode, mana flooded, no grave yard and are wondering what you can draw that will lead you the way to a win?  The answer is nothing.   



Doug, Bro, he's clearly playing inf stack.

Lands and moxen are pretty horrible draws in inf stack.  Very Happy
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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2010, 11:32:53 pm »


Think with the mindframe of "If I had no hand, a buttload of mana, nothing but lands/moxen in play, and my opponent just tormod's crypted me, what card could I topdeck that wins me the game in the next 2 turns?"

So, you are assuming you are on top deck mode, mana flooded, no grave yard and are wondering what you can draw that will lead you the way to a win?  The answer is nothing.   



Doug, Bro, he's clearly playing inf stack.

Lands and moxen are pretty horrible draws in inf stack.  Very Happy

Alright, so it's a cube/inf stack hybrid format.
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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2010, 11:08:57 am »

when i was a kid my elves used to kill people with killer bees.
if you win with killer bees, you're a pimp
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