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« on: February 14, 2010, 11:13:12 pm »

At the end of my opponent's turn:

Me: <tap Fetchland> Fetch?
Opponent: Ok.

I reach for my deck and pick it up.

Opponent: Wait. <casts Stifle>

I tell my opponent he no longer has priority to cast the Stifle. He complains that he meant "Ok, I have responses." . He certainly did not, as his tone and body language both implied that the fetchland was resolving. I consider calling a judge, but since this is a low REL event, and I don't have any witnesses, I decide not to.

Did I have a case here? I see this happening all the time where Player A passes priority to Player B, and player B responds with "Ok", and then when Player A seeks to resolve the spell or ability, Player B seeks to respond again.

How is Player A supposed to deal with this situation, and if Player A is right to call a judge about this, what evidence would a judge look at when evaluating this situation?

Thanks for listening and for your response(s).
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2010, 12:29:21 am »

This sort of situation is exactly why I think "Ok" should be banned from the Magic lexicon.

As a judge, I want to look for what "Ok" has meant previously in the match. How have similar situations been handled? If previously in the match, "Ok" had meant "That resolves" then they're sunk. Otherwise, it's a judgment call.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 03:01:12 pm »

This sort of situation is exactly why I think "Ok" should be banned from the Magic lexicon.

As a judge, I want to look for what "Ok" has meant previously in the match. How have similar situations been handled? If previously in the match, "Ok" had meant "That resolves" then they're sunk. Otherwise, it's a judgment call.

If "Ok" was used in the same scenario all game long, would that suffice as evidence that a priority pass had been made? How would a judge evaluate what "Ok" previously meant in the match?
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 04:35:35 pm »

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ow would a judge evaluate what "Ok" previously meant in the match?
"What did 'Ok' mean previously in the match?"

If all match the opponent has just been saying "Ok" to spells you cast, that sets a strong shortcut that "Ok" means "I pass priority.". If they were saying, "Ok. It resolves." that means something completely different.
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2010, 05:53:11 pm »

"What did 'Ok' mean previously in the match?"

If all match the opponent has just been saying "Ok" to spells you cast, that sets a strong shortcut that "Ok" means "I pass priority.". If they were saying, "Ok. It resolves." that means something completely different.

I understand what you are saying. What I am curious about is how a judge would handle the situation if Player A says that "Ok" was the priority precedent and Player B says it was something else. I would like to know how I can best protect myself from getting screwed in this scenario, since it seems to happen quite frequently.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2010, 06:17:36 pm »

Interview both players about how actions were taken previously in the match. If we can't come to some sort of consensus, it's a judgment call. There's not really any other way it can be handled.

If you're worried about this affecting you, the first time your opponent says "Ok" instead ask "Does it resolve?" and make them verbally say "Yes" or "It resolves" or something.
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