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« on: August 29, 2010, 10:51:05 pm »

If I have a creature with morph in play that gets turned face down along with a face down creature(s), am I allowed to shuffle the cards together so my opponent(s) won't know what creature is which?
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 11:01:22 pm »

No.

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 01:11:37 am »

This is from a really old version of the rules, because I'm too lazy to download a new one. I know the rule hasn't changed; some of the language of rules numbers may have:

504.4. If you control multiple face-down spells on the stack or face-down permanents in play, you must ensure at all times that your face-down spells and permanents can be easily differentiated from each other. This includes, but is not limited to, knowing the order spells were played, the order that face-down permanents came into play, which creature attacked last turn, and any other differences between face-down spells or permanents. Common methods for distinguishing between face-down objects include using counters or dice to mark the different objects, or clearly placing those objects in order on the table.

So, the answer to your question is "no."


Well given the wording it seems like you could shuffle your face down creatures so your opponent didn't know which was which, but if your opponent asked which was which you would have to tell them. Is that right?
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 02:38:41 am »

The proper rules number is 707.6.  And no, you cannot shuffle them around.  They have to be easily differentiated from each other.  When they're all face down, they all look the same.  If you shuffle them around, a person cannot easily differentiate between them.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 03:15:12 pm »

In my original example, say I turn a Voidmage Prodigy (or any other morph creature) face down somehow.  Later in the game, my opponent(s) forget which one was turned face down.  If they ask me what face down creature is the Voidmage, do I have to tell them or is it up to them to remember?
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 03:29:01 am »

In my original example, say I turn a Voidmage Prodigy (or any other morph creature) face down somehow.  Later in the game, my opponent(s) forget which one was turned face down.  If they ask me what face down creature is the Voidmage, do I have to tell them or is it up to them to remember?

I dont believe so, It is up to your opponent to remember
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2010, 06:38:39 pm »

The rule in question according to clairax so people don't have to look it up is:

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707.6. If you control multiple face-down spells or face-down permanents, you must ensure at all times that your face-down spells and permanents can be easily differentiated from each other. This includes, but is not limited to, knowing the order spells were cast, the order that face-down permanents entered the battlefield, which creature attacked last turn, and any other differences between face-down spells or permanents. Common methods for distinguishing between face-down objects include using counters or dice to mark the different objects, or clearly placing those objects in order on the table.

I don't think it is up to your opponent to remember but if you can't use your words to tell them which is which immediately after shuffling them then I have no idea how you could reasonably tell them which is the Voidmage Prodigy.
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2010, 11:44:03 pm »

In my original example, say I turn a Voidmage Prodigy (or any other morph creature) face down somehow.  Later in the game, my opponent(s) forget which one was turned face down.  If they ask me what face down creature is the Voidmage, do I have to tell them or is it up to them to remember?

You wouldn't have to tell them this, no, at least not past a turn later.  The rules require the creatures be easily differentiated.  This does not mean you can shuffle them around or anything else as long as you tell your opponent when they ask.  It means you need to have them visually differentiated in some way.  Numbering them with dice or counters, using a different color piece of paper on each one, keeping them in a specific order would all work.
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