How does Torpor Orb interact with vanishing/fading cards such as Blastoderm or Chronozoa? My opponent says my blastoderm does not come in with counters because vanishing and fading arent replacement effects, I am unsure about that. Would this mean my blastoderm would enter with no time counters and die in my next upkeep?
Torpor Orb
Artifact
Creatures entering the battlefield don't cause abilities to trigger
Rulings:
6/1/2011 Torpor Orb stops a creature's own enters-the-battlefield triggered abilities as well as other triggered abilities that would trigger when a creature enters the battlefield.
6/1/2011 The trigger event doesn't have to specify "creatures" entering the battlefield. For example, Amulet of Vigor says "Whenever a permanent enters the battlefield tapped and under your control, untap it." If a creature enters the battlefield tapped and under your control, Amulet of Vigor would not trigger. If a land (that isn't also a creature) enters the battlefield tapped and under your control, Amulet of Vigor would trigger.
6/1/2011 Abilities that create replacement effects, such as a permanent entering the battlefield tapped or with counters on it, are unaffected.
6/1/2011 Abilities that apply "as [this creature] enters the battlefield," such as choosing a creature to copy with Clone, are unaffected.
6/1/2011 Look at the permanent as it exists on the battlefield, taking into account continuous effects, to determine whether any triggered abilities will trigger. For example, if you control March of the Machines, which says, in part, "Each noncreature artifact is an artifact creature," Torpor Orb will be a creature when it enters the battlefield and will not cause triggered abilities to trigger.
6/1/2011 If Torpor Orb and a creature enter the battlefield at the same time, that creature entering the battlefield won't cause triggered abilities to trigger.
Blastoderm
{G}{G}
Creature — Beast
Card Text: Shroud (This permanent can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Fading 3 (This creature enters the battlefield with three fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.)
Taken from Chronozoa, Vanishing reads as follows:
Vanishing 3 (This permanent enters the battlefield with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from it. When the last is removed, sacrifice it.)
When Chronozoa dies, if it had no time counters on it, put two tokens that are copies of it onto the battlefield.
