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Author Topic: M13 Card that will see the most Vintage play?  (Read 3046 times)
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« on: June 12, 2012, 10:12:26 am »

My bet is on the Tormod's Crypt: the good art and flavor text, but not foiling to "mark" the card in your deck.

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 10:22:00 am »

Probably Island. It is like a Mox Sapphire, but immune to Ancient Grudge, Energy Flux, and Ingot Chewer. In addition, it can't be countered, either by Force of Will or Chalice of the Void. You can fetch it with Polluted Delta and friends, but unlike Tundra et al., it is immune to Wasteland, which has been seeing increased play in Workshop and Aggro decks. Island, further, cannot be destroyed by Snow-Hate cards, unlike Snow-Covered Island. The main downside to Island is that it allows opposing Sea Serpents to attack. This is best handled by Mana Drain.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 10:40:16 am »

The main downside to Island is that it allows opposing Cold-Eyed Selkies to attack. This is best handled by Swords to Plowshares.

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I realize you're being facetious, but the strange thing is that in Vintage, the choice of playing basic lands, and how many, actually is a thing.  There is another thread going on discussing whether a Grafdigger's Cage that just affected LANDS would be a good thing to print, and it poses the same question; how limited are Vintage decks by the mana base they have to run?  At the moment, Wasteland punishes you for running four or five color decks full of Duals and Cities, so people tend to rely more on 2 or 3 color decks with a very occasional 4th splash.  Every mana base seems to be based on fetches, a few duals and utility lands, and basics.  Stfile isn't played widely enough to be much of a threat to these kind of manabases.  Would a truly effective fetch hoser force people into 1 and 2 color decks?  Would this be healthy for the format?

Anyway, back to M13.  Yes, Tormod's Crypt is probably gonna see play, but thats a degenerate answer.  So is Island.  And Duress.  Im going with Tarland, Sky Summoner of the new cards spoiled thus far.  Yes. he's vulnerable to removal, but he probably does win the game pretty handily if you get to untap with him even once or twice.  I can imagine him as a singleton in a Drain Tendrils type list, OR in a Landstill build. 
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 11:07:11 am »

Let me be more specific.  Which card with the M13 expansion symbol on it do you expect to most frequently be physically put into a Vintage deck?  In my experience, Vintage players tend towards Beta and Unhinged basic lands, so I doubt Island is correct.  Duress with a new art might be possible, but I think the Saga art is the best to date.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 11:27:37 am »

from reprint:Island
from new cards:smelt
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 11:37:53 am »

Saga art is the best to date.

Saga isn't bad, but I've always been partial to this Ice Age one: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=2767
this Mirage one: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3584
any of the Masques islands: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=20886, e.g.
or, for a Blue/Black deck, this one from Shadowmoor: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=157874

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2012, 11:49:37 am »

Oh, I was talking about Duress artworks.  All of my Islands are a particular Zendikar full art as are my Mountains.  My Swamps and Plains are Unhinged.  Forests are this Ice Age art.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2012, 11:54:12 am »

Yea, my Vintage binder basic lands are all Zendikar and Unglued.  That said, Saga Forests are smexy!

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=8339

Lookit those bulgy, Mark Tedin-esque trees!
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