Eudemonia *SPRING VINTAGE* Top 8 Decklists! 4/13/2013

[LotusHead]

I would prefer $20 entry to $30 or $25, but I'm good with $30.

Also, I wouldn't be super upset at all of the prize going to top 4 instead of top 8, as I'm used to not getting paid unless I make top 4.

But all in all, I'm happy with shops getting a regular Vintage scene again!

Feel free to cross promote Legacy, as many of us play that also.

[jeffthefob]

I am happy you are taking my comments seriously but wow, did I hit a nerve or something? I didn't expect this from a store like Eudo. 

My biggest complaint is entree fee and pay out and I have explained why.  What we agree differently is how stores make money through tourneys.  Tourney's main purpose it attract people to the store so they can spend money at the store.  How do you make money on the long run? Have a stable customer base so you have stable income from them.  When people goes to your store, you want them to buy cards, drinks, and products.  There is much more to gain there rather than taking the guarantee pay cut from the prize pool.  It'd be much better if everything is give back in store credit.  But Eudo is taking a cut, and then give things back in store credit, which have to be spent at the store anyways, then why take the cut? We have to spend it in the store anyways!

This lead to comparison to other stores.  Why should I play at Eudo when other competitors are giving 100% back in store credit.

And there is actually a very logical reason for that, it is a vintage tourney and there are so few of these nowadays.  Well, then it is up to the players to decide if they want to play and I expressed that I don't like it and the reasons why.  But that is only me, clearly Heiner, LotusHead, Smmenen, and a lot of other people are willing to pay the "premium" and play.  I expressed that I won't be going back if it isn't $20 next time or a change in prize structure, but again, that is me.  Why don't Eudo just take this professionally and there will be less critics.  I am certainly very surprised when you took the time replying what you had to say. 

It is obviously I am bitter from the time when Eudo took away the Ancestral and the Lotus tourney since I don't feel that was resolved properly.  I didn't say or imply Eudo is screwing the vintage scene.  I am saying I don't like it when stores are giving back less than it took and increased the usual entree fee than it was years ago when it lastly held the tourney.  Not saying Eudo or anyone should work for free, but Eudo is marginally profiting more than it used to and compared to its competitors when it didn't have to do it.  First tourney back after the sudden hiatus, I didn't interpret that as good gestures. 

You brought up the point of premium events and I will simply say our definition of premium is different.  GP, PTQ, SCG circuits, and etc.  those are premium, you are playing 30-40 and playing for an insane prize money other than PTQs.  When you put premium to an Eudo event, I don't quite hear the bang, I see more profiting instead of providing a big, premiere, quality tourney.   

What Webster posted and what I posted are similar, except mine is much less diplomatic and not as well worded as Webster's. 

[Smmenen]

During and after the tournament, I communicated the various feedback I had received (including from David, Jeff, Blaine, etc) back to Dean at Eudo privately, and we had intended to listen to folks requests, and accommodate them.   Jeff, in person you said to me that you would come back if the entry was lowered to $25, which I was going to ask Dean to do.  Others concurred that that was a more appropriate entry fee. 

Also, the request that the other players in top 8 at least make back entry fee was reasonable.  We will accommodate that as well.

We are very fortunate to be growing our Vintage scene in the bay once more, and should all thank Eudo for hosting these events, but also listening to player feedback. 

Please be assured that I will work hard with Eudo to accommodate all reasonable requests for the success of this tournament series.  We are all working toward the same goal.

I'll post an announcement in another thread soon, but I'm pleased to announce that Eudo's next Vintage event will be July 28th: http://www.eudogames.com/magic/vintage-jul28

We've lowered the entry fee to $25, which I think makes good sense.

Mark your calendars!!

Stephen

[jeffthefob]

Thank you Stephen.  That is all I needed to hear and am more than willing to come back for more vintage. 

I am very grateful that the vintage is coming back in the bay.  By no means I am trying to derail all of the work Stephen had been putting in coordinating these.

[saspook]

We've lowered the entry fee to $25, which I think makes good sense.

Are they still going to get you coming in (7% rake) and going out (prizes is not cash)?