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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2014, 11:35:39 pm » |
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I think this will have a home in modern affinity and maybe make legacy affinity a bit better. I don't know how great it will be in vintage except as a build around card.
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2014, 12:35:29 am » |
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Is suicide black a thing / Can it be a thing? I mean this certianly offers fuel to it as 8 bobs is a lot of bobs. Maybe take a page from the Legacy playbook:
4 Pain seer
4 Dark confidant
4 Grave crawler
4 Some other 2/2 1 drop
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4 Thoughtseize
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4 Hymn to tourach
4 Liliana of the veil or removal
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1 Lotus
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X swamps
I mean if merfolk can do it I dont see why not.
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2014, 06:03:50 am » |
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I mean if merfolk can do it I dont see why not.
Merfolks are Blue, they have the best lords (quantity and quality wise) which also give them Islandwalk (seeing as 90% of lands with a basic land type are islands in vintage, it's pretty huge) and have good utility creatures like Watefront bouncer and true name nemesis. If you add on top of all this the fact that they are usually incounterable thanks to Cavern of souls it's pretty clear why it's a good deck. Towards the metagame: they have a pretty fast clock and bigger guys so they can race Aggro based decks, they make Control decks interaction plan irrelevant with cavern while still having counterspells of their own to tempo against bombs. Their only bad matchups are Oath, Combo and Dredge, which are pretty under represented in the format currently. What does scuicide black do to attack the metagame? |
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2014, 07:56:10 am » |
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2014, 08:38:22 am » |
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What does scuicide black do to attack the metagame?
In a perfect world? Wins before all that. But really, what it does do that merfolk does not is draw cards. If you wanted to squeeze caverns in a list you probabaly could as there are plenty of black wizards and or humans, and you have hand disruption and removal. You trade in landwalk for the ability to remove creatures in your way, and you remove counterspells for duress effects. And your army of confidants help refill your options every turn. Like I said, not sure if its been a deck in sometime but this card does seem like it would belong in it if it were. |
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2014, 09:37:28 am » |
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I am seeing a whole bunch of really narrow and quite terrible-on-their-own suggestions to make this thing work. The real question; Why not play 2 of these AND 4 bobs in a human deck, and just accept that this guy will need to go Aggro before he gets you cards? Playing terrible cards in your deck to have conditional card draw out of a 2/2 seems awful. so he is potentially a better engine piece. No. Never. This card will never be better than Dark Confidant. |
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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2014, 10:06:10 am » |
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I am seeing a whole bunch of really narrow and quite terrible-on-their-own suggestions to make this thing work. The real question; Why not play 2 of these AND 4 bobs in a human deck, and just accept that this guy will need to go Aggro before he gets you cards? Playing terrible cards in your deck to have conditional card draw out of a 2/2 seems awful. so he is potentially a better engine piece. No. Never. This card will never be better than Dark Confidant. I don't understand these arguments. What are you talking about? |
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2014, 10:26:33 am » |
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Yeah, in most circumstances he is worse than Bob. However, he will never kill you like Bob can because you can choose not to trigger him. And he can potentially be used multiple times a turn. These two things make me think he is potentially viable on his own. Of course, as has been pointed out, in suiblack he might be close to Bob 5 to 8, too.
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2014, 12:05:29 pm » |
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He can most definitely flip a FoW when you're at 5 life and any other flip is safe.
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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2014, 12:47:06 pm » |
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He can most definitely flip a FoW when you're at 5 life and any other flip is safe.
If you choose to trigger him, sure. But if you are five life and know there are a few fows left in your deck, you can choose to hold off on the trigger. That's the difference. |
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2014, 12:53:02 pm » |
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2014, 03:17:17 pm » |
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Euw, a shame this will likely be the cheap one. Looks horrible. Same with that merfolk guy.
This is the game day promo, which means much lower print run. It will be the more expensive art of him. (with the exception of regular foil) |
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