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« on: April 08, 2014, 02:35:47 am »



Is it playable over jitte, batterskull or other swords? In certain conditions, it is, but most of the time it's not. However it's great answering BSC and could be a pain in aggro matchups. Specially against tarmogoys, because it exiles them, and chumblockers like snapcasters or trinket, since they can't play anymore of them. Against mud, if you manage to play it, is better than batterskull in front of wurmcoil...

I suppose it would have little impact, but probably some people would try it.

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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2014, 05:54:46 am »

The cases you cite are too situational.
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Exile Ancestral and turn Tiago sideways.

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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 07:14:31 am »

If this ETB attached to a critter, it'd be good enough for Vintage.

In practice, it does this:
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Enchanted critter gets +3/+3 and first strike.

Even off stoneforge, that's 4 mana for +3/+3 and first strike.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 07:16:23 am »

I'm a big fan even without the +3/+3.
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 08:23:10 am »

We have 5 swords, Jitte, cranial plating, Manriki-Gusari, and skullclamp. Under what circumstance when deck building do you look at this card and say "this is my best option."

Mono white would honestly rather use stony silence than this, and it's one or the other. What other deck can even support a 1WW mana cost?
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 08:47:11 am »

A grindy bant fish deck running SFM would want this. I'd say that this and Batterskull are the two best equipments for a deck that wants to slowly stabilise, rather than an aggressive deck that would probably want one of the swords instead.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 09:37:37 am »

Yeah, against pretty much everything except Blightsteel I would prefer that this were almost any of the Mirrodin Swords.  Against Blightsteel it's probably too slow.  If you had time to assemble this you also had time to pull up a more useful piece of hate, like Revoke Existence or Leonin Relicwarder or something.

I'd compare this to Behemoth Sledge.  Same p/t bonus, but instead of lifelink you get this wonky exile effect.  I'm not even sure that the exile thing is any better, because it's essentially a punisher mechanic.  The enemy won't let you exile anything relevant until they have to do so or lose to combat damage.  So, most of the time, all you're getting is +3 to your damage. 

It's got a powerful effect, but at a mana investment of 6 (5 with Stoneforge) I don't see why you would run this.
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 11:29:21 am »

This would probably only be good in Legacy, but even there, I don't know. The main use for this is to be able to go through a blocking TNN. But even for that, Sword of Fire and Ice is better... But I don't know, maybe I'm not seeing a good interaction. The effect is new, and is good, so I wouldn't dismiss the card. That said, I wouldn't buy it either. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2014, 12:13:31 pm »

This card is bad. Too bad for legacy, this isn't even good enough for modern really, I think I'd rather have Behemoth Sledge most of the time or as mentioned any Mirrodin sword. Also wasn't there an awful movie with the kid from home alone called Godsend? Possible alter?
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 12:28:56 pm »

In a creature deck (e.g. humans), it sits there on a dork against shops, oath and tinker targets stopping them from attacking while you build up board position or finish them off by attacking through a couple of times. Pretty average in a deck with few creatures, but it seems like a good sfm target in a deck with lots of them. Swords are great offensively, but average defensively in a metagame with robots and big artifact creatures. The big upside of this card is that its equally strong defensively and offensively, letting you switch roles from turn to turn.
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2014, 02:13:24 pm »

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Under what circumstance when deck building do you look at this card and say "this is my best option."

LOL, I can't think of any.
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2014, 02:54:05 pm »

I was honestly surprised to see this was even a thread.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2014, 03:08:41 pm »

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LOL, I can't think of any.

Vigilence.dec....?  Maybe white weenie abusing Reconnaissance?  Threatening to evaporate any creature who swings into you and beating for 3 each turn isn't so bad then I guess...?

Nah, even then I'd rather have a Sword.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2014, 07:58:16 pm »

I mean lets be honest here, the card costs colored mana, is legendary, and has a higher equip cost than every other competitive equip except batterskull, which is sorta an island unto itself.

So for all that you would have to expect it to be better in most cases than other options, but as we have seen it just does not seem to be. Jitte is probably better with a vigilance creature as well.

If it costed 2 to equip, I think we could discuss it, but right now all this is in my books is a limited bomb and standard powerhouse that will fade out of existence once it rotates. Its a cool design but not powerlevel for vintage.
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2014, 08:16:11 pm »

My white devotion deck just got awesomerer
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2014, 08:15:24 am »

So for all that you would have to expect it to be better in most cases than other options, but as we have seen it just does not seem to be. Jitte is probably better with a vigilance creature as well.
And that's really the thing: against against indestructible, Jitte will almost certainly be better. Draft bomb of the highest caliber, though.
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2014, 03:01:35 pm »

Having a card like in play is strong. Trygin to get it into play seems to be the problem, all the effort and designing around it is probably not worth it. It is not a card that can be cast and give value immediately, and a jitte has more devestating effects once it is giving back the investment.
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