Anyone have historic decklists for 93/94 Worlds?

[jcb193]

I know many of us know the original Zak Dolan and Bertrand Lestree Decklists by heart), but I was wondering if anyone has any of the other decklists from the (top 4?). Just curious.  I love this portion of Magic history and would be elated to see any of the original decklists at the first Magic Worlds?

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/zak-dolans-worlds-diary-2004-08-26

Anyone have anything other than these two omnipresent lists?

[JACO]

From my understanding WotC lost the remaining coverage details and decklists.

[jcb193]

I was just curious if any of the other top players had contributed any information to the archives.  Can't find any interviews or information on anyone but Zak. 

[Smmenen]

We dont have decklists but one source has some of the cards in it. I think i cite it in my History of Vintage chapters.

[jcb193]

Well, this is the most I can find.....

Zak Dolan (USA) beat Dominic Symens (Belgium) 2-0

Bertrand Lestree (France) beat Cyrille DeFoucand (France) 2-1

Dominic got off to a great start in the game -- something like land, Mox, Dark Ritual, Juzam Djinn. That Juzam did its usual 20-some points of damage that game, however, not in the usual fashion. Instead, it did five to me, and about fifteen to Dominic, since my reply to his first turn was land, Meekstone. Later in the game, I got out a Time Elemental. Dominic kept jokingly suggesting that perhaps I would like to put his Juzam back into his hand. For the whole game, that was the only thing that was doing damage to him. Eventually, he resigned. He was a very good sport about the whole thing, though.

The second game against Dominic resulted in heavy sideboarding on his part. He must have switched in at least nine cards. He was prepared for just such a deck as mine, apparently. We played the second game and I kept his mana completely tied down with a Winter Orb, Kismet, and a few other cards, so that he never got more than two mana at any point. He resigned when it became obvious that his position was hopeless. After the game, he showed me his hand and we both got to chuckle a little bit. His entire sideboard was in his hand -- something like Gloom, Gloom, Flashfires, Flashfires, Tsunami, Tsunami, Tsunami --

[Twiedel]

I'd also be highly interested in these decklists, if you can find them. Currently in the process of rebuilding Zac Dolan's winning list, and I think it would be even cooler to have the whole gauntlet (top8 /top4) of those historic decks!

I'm sporadically searching as well, if I stumble into anything I'll let you know

[jcb193]

I'd love if you could find anything. It boggles the mind that none of these other three guys have been interviewed or on record (though I bet Bertrand was pretty pissed about the whole thing).

[portland]

Did I imagine something about it in an early Duellist? Threw them all out a few years back when I semi quit...

[jcb193]

I'd also be highly interested in these decklists, if you can find them. Currently in the process of rebuilding Zac Dolan's winning list, and I think it would be even cooler to have the whole gauntlet (top8 /top4) of those historic decks!

Just be aware, that if you try to recreate the Zak Dolan vs. Bertrand decks, it will be a tough night for the Zak Dolan player.  Dolan's deck was ingenious, and the intricacies are soooo fun to discover, and it's a great deck to play,  but Bertrand's is probably the most optimal deck of that time period and about as tight as you can make a deck.  Even 20yrs later, the Bertrand deck would hold its own against other 93/94 decks made today.  

Just accept the fact that the Bertrand deck will probably win about 75-80% of the matches, especially if the Bertrand player knows the Dolan deck only has two counterspells.  My friend and I have played it out many times, and let me tell you-  I love playing the Dolan deck, love it, but there is nothing worse than looking at a hand of Meekstone, Winter's Orb, Kismet, and Siren's Call, when you are facing a channel/zoo deck.  If I recall correctly, in the Finals,  Dolan drew LoA twice and Ivory Tower twice (the two cards that even give him a chance), and 2 of the 3 games were still tight despite that.

Also, no decklists online have this correct, but Bertrand's maindeck was actually 61 cards.  He played Syvlan Library AND Chaos Orb in the main (apparently the ripping up the Chaos Orb rumors were strong and he didn't want to finish tourney with 59 cards, if he had to tear up a chaos orb in the finals).  

[jcb193]

I tried to contact Cyrille and Dominic on FB, but no luck.  Leaving it alone for now.  Just thought it would be super awesome to make a top 4 gauntlet some night.

If anyone has any information, please let me know.  None of the old duelist articles I've read talk about anything other than the finals matchup, and only include interviews with Zak Dolan. 

[Aaron Patten]

I thought they were published on the 93/94 website.  Clearly I was mistaken:

[jcb193]

Yeah, there are a ton of articles, but they only talk about Zak Dolan's deck.  I did find this resource, but it doesn't seem to be correct:
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=9186&d=253152&f=ST

Neither of the decklists for Dominic or Cyrille seem to be correct.  According to Zak's diary:
Dominic played- Juzam, Dark Rituals, Gloom, Flashfires, Tsunami.  Chaos Orb in sideboard

Obviously Zak's memory might not be right, but he also lists Cyrille as losing to Bertrand because of a Diamond Valley (also not on this list). 

Back to the drawing board!!

[tito del monte]

As most reports are mostly from Zak Dolan's persepctive, I did email Bertrand to see what he could remember. Unfortunately not a lot - but here's what he had to say (translated from the French):

- "Cyrille de Foucaud basically copied my deck, except he was playing Shivan Dragons instead of Serendib Efreets. He also played 1 or 2 Strip Mines.. that was my big error, which cost me the final"

- "I can't really remember Dominic Siemens' deck, although it was black and I think running Hypnotic Cpectres and Juzam Djinns - but I'm not 100% sure any more"

Sorry, that's not much more to go on. But Cyrille's deck at least might be more or less possible to recreate. Sounds like a fun project and maybe we'll crack it. I imagine Wizards first head of organised play might no (his name escapes me, I mention him in my book) - as he's certainly there in all the pics of the final that have surfaced over the years. I never went to the bother of tracking him down though.

[jcb193]

Thank you Titus!  I'm going to chill on this project for now, but I hope someone can get somewhere.  I think it's a super important part of Magic history.  In my few weeks of hard core investigation, I could only figure out the following:

THE FACTS TO THIS POINT OF RESEARCH-

Zak and Bertrand remember Dominic playing Juzam Djinn, and Bertrand remembers Cyrille playing a zoo style deck.
Zak claims Dominic also played Dark Ritual with Gloom, Tsunami, Chaos Orb, Flashfires in the sideboard.
Cyrille is reported to have lost his third game to Bertand because he drew Diamond Valley as his only land.
Cyrille is also reported to have played a deck very similar to Bertrand's (Shivans for Serendibs, and with Strip Mines)
I've reached out to Cyrille, Dominic, Mark Rosewater, Money Ashley- no response yet.  Cannot find contact information for Steve Bishop (head judge) or Corey Smith (witnessing one of the games in the photos).
These photos of the day show the following (http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/226captions):
Cyrille playing Kird Ape, Regrowth, Channel, Volcanic, Disintegrate, Bayou, Bird of Paradise, Taiga, Mox Sapphire, and what looks like a Diamond Valley!!
Dominic playing Llanowar Elves, Tropical Island, Mox Jet??.  Was his deck a four color Juzam Deck???  From Zak's account, it could be.  I can also barely see one card in the photo where he is holding his deck (animate dead)?

Regardless, I have nothing else to go on at this point, so I'll have to shelve the project.  However, it does appear (at least based on the photos and memories of Dolan and Bertrand), that the decklists posted here, are wrong or only partially right. Would love to know the source:  http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=9186&d=253152&f=ST

Would love any other contributions. I can't be the only person fascinated by this time in history-

[JACO]

From the pictures you linked, here is what I see in pics:
Cyrille Defoucand
1 Regrowth
1 Channel
1 Disintegrate
1 Birds of Paradise
2 Kird Ape
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Bayou
1 City of Brass
1 Volcanic Island
1 Taiga
1 Diamond Valley or City of Brass

Dominic Symens (lost to Zak Dolan in semifinals)
Animate Dead or Sacrifice on bottom of deck while shuffling
1 Mox Jet
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Tropical Island