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« on: May 27, 2009, 10:37:02 pm »

Thank you to everyone who attended our latest Vintage event here at Myriad Games.

The Bonus Preregistration Prize went to Eric Dupuis.

The Bonus Carpool Prize went to Eric Rose.

The Best Deck Name Prize went to Matt Macauley for "Oops I win, starring Tezzeret"

As always, if you have any comments or suggestions about our events, please email us.

Tournament Results

1st -- Matt Macauley
2nd -- Andrew Fox
3rd -- Connor Cobean
4th -- Bill Copes
5th -- Jeff Carpenter
6th -- Oliver Beaumont
7th -- Arik Pogrebinsky
8th -- Eric Dupuis
9th -- Tony Costello
10th -- Eric Rose
11th -- Demonic Attorney
12th -- Rich Shay
13th -- Charlie Winger
14th -- David Henry
15th -- Kyle Del Paggio
16th -- Jeff Rodgers

Top 8 Decklists

1st Matt Macauley

2x Tezzeret the Seeker
1x Tinker
1x Time Vault
1x Voltaic Key
1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Trinket Mage
1x Gorilla Shaman
4x Force of Will
4x Mana Drain
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Brainstorm
1x Vampiric Tutor
4x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Time Walk
1x Merchant Scroll
3x Thoughtseize
1x Red Elemental Blast
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Echoing Truth
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Relic of Progenitus
3x Flooded Strand
3x Polluted Delta
2x Island
1x Library of Alexandria
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Tundra
2x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Emerald
1x Sol Ring
1x Mana Vault
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Jet
1x Black Lotus

Sideboard
2x Red Elemental Blast
2x Tormod's Crypt
2x Yixlid Jailer
3x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Ingot Chewer
2x Pyroclasm
1x Pithing Needle
1x Hurkyl's Recall

2nd Andrew Fox

4x Tidehollow Sculler
4x Wild Nacatl
4x Bloodhall Ooze
4x Tattermunge Maniac
4x Jund Hackblade
4x Putrid Leech
4x Mogg Salvage
4x Duress
4x Thoughtseize
2x Zealous Persecution
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Ruby
4x City of Brass
3x Wooded Foothills
4x Bloodstained Mire
2x Taiga
2x Badlands
1x Bayou
1x Scrubland
1x Plateau

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4x Thorn of Amethyst
4x Children of Korlis
4x Ancient Grudge
1x Gaea's Blessing
2x Zealous Persecution

3rd Connor Cobean

3x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Aven Mindcensor
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Meddling Mage
3x Cursecatcher
2x Trygon Predator
4x Force of Will
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Echoing Truth
1x Ancestral Recall
3x Daze
3x Stifle
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Misdirection
1x Time Walk
4x Null Rod
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Emerald
4x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine
4x Tropical Island
2x Tundra
4x Flooded Strand
2x Polluted Delta
1x Island
1x Plains

Sideboard
2x Swords to Plowshares
2x Krosan Grip
2x Umezawa's Jitte
2x Qasali Pridemage
2x Pithing Needle
1x Tormod's Crypt
2x Relic of Progenitus
2x Kataki, War's Wage

4th Bill Copes

1x Tinker
1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Yawgmoth's Will
4x Force of Will
4x Duress
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Timetwister
1x Imperial Seal
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Time Walk
1x Wheel of Fortune
1x Ponder
1x Brainstorm
1x Rebuild
1x Necropotence
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Demonic Consultation
1x Sensei's Divining Top
2x Tendrils of Agony
1x Yawgmoth's Bargain
1x Memory Jar
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Mind's Desire
1x Gifts Ungiven
4x Polluted Delta
1x Bloodstained Mire
1x Badlands
3x Underground Sea
1x Swamp
1x Island
1x Tolarian Academy
4x Dark Ritual
1x Cabal Ritual
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mana Crypt
1x Sol Ring
1x Mox Jet
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Pearl
1x Lotus Petal
1x Mana Vault
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Sapphire

Sideboard
2x Yixlid Jailer
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Extirpate
1x Engineered Explosives
2x Red Elemental Blast
1x Empty the Warrens
2x Hurkyl's Recall
2x Chain of Vapor
1x Volcanic Island
1x Swamp
1x Snow-Covered Island

5th Jeff Carpenter

1x Tinker
1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Voltaic Key
4x Force of Will
4x Mana Drain
4x Meditate
3x Commandeer
4x Mystic Remora
3x Lorescale Coatl
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Ponder
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Rebuild
1x Brainstorm
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Time Vault
1x Time Walk
2x Sylvan Library
1x Tolarian Academy
4x Flooded Strand
2x Polluted Delta
3x Island
3x Tropical Island
2x Underground Sea
1x Library of Alexandria
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Ruby
1x Sol Ring

Sideboard
2x Trygon Predator
3x Tarmogoyf
2x Shadow of Doubt
2x Duress
1x Yixlid Jailer
2x Engineered Explosives
2x Oxidize
1x Brain Freeze

6th Oliver Beaumont

1x Tezzeret the Seeker
1x Time Vault
1x Voltaic Key
4x Force of Will
4x Mana Drain
3x Duress
4x Thirst for Knowledge
2x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Regrowth
2x Lorescale Coatl
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Gifts Ungiven
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Time Walk
1x Tinker
1x Inkwell Leviathan
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Brainstorm
6x Island
4x Flooded Strand
3x Underground Sea
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Library of Alexandria
1x Tropical Island
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mana Crypt
1x Sol Ring

Sideboard
3x Sower of Temptation
3x Relic of Progenitus
2x Annul
2x Smother
1x Rebuild
1x Darkblast
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Trinisphere
1x Sundering Titan

7th Arik Pogrebinsky

4x Dark Confidant
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Force of Will
4x Negate
3x Duress
3x Thoughtseize
4x Sleight of Hand
3x Null Rod
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Time Walk
1x Brainstorm
1x Ponder
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Echoing Truth
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Regrowth
1x Misdiredtion
1x Trygon Predator
4x Polluted Delta
2x Flooded Strand
4x Underground Sea
3x Tropical Island
1x Island
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Lotus Petal

Sideboard
1x Island
1x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Null Rod
1x Duress
1x Darkblast
4x Threads of Disloyalty
3x Pithing Needle
2x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Trinisphere

8th Eric Dupuis

2x Tezzeret the Seeker
1x Tinker
1x Voltaic Key
1x Time Vault
4x Force of Will
4x Mana Drain
4x Thoughtseize
4x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Time Walk
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Trinket Mage
1x Gorilla Shaman
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Echoing Truth
1x Parksteel Colossus
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Brainstorm
1x Tundra
2x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
2x Island
1x Library of Alexandria
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Ruby
1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Sol Ring
3x Flooded Strand
3x Polluted Delta

Sideboard
1x Pithing Needle
1x Rack and Ruin
2x Ingot Chewer
2x Sower of Temptation
2x Yxlid Jails
3x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Tormod's Crypt
2x Red Elemental Blast
1x Pyroblast

Thanks again to everyone for coming to this event.

We'll be hosting the next event in our Vintage Tournament Series on Saturday, June 13th.

Make plans now to come join in the fun!
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 12:25:23 pm »

How did the snake work for you in the mystic remora engine Harlequin?  The last time I tried it they didn't want to be out together (the remora would come out first and have to die before you could cast the snake).  Did you have better luck?
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 12:59:22 pm »

I wouldn't say that there is a dirrect synergy between Remora and Lorescale.  As you pointed out they almost never hit play together.  But that doesn't mean that Lorescale was no good on his own.  I got absoultly steamrolled by Andrew Fox's creature deck... as was expected.  I was joking with him that even if he let me start the game with any card in hand in play - I'd still lose (unless I mulled to DSC  Wink ).   

I think Lorescale is a better creature for this meta than Tog.  So I think that the deck I ran was definately as solid as remora deck could hope to be.  I certainly didn't create any architypes or break any metagames here - but would I play the deck again?  Likely.  Is it better than Selkie (my other pet deck right now)? in certain places yes, in other's no...



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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 02:01:04 pm »

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2x Zealous Persecution

Foxy, please elaborate.  I need to know.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 10:41:23 pm »

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2x Zealous Persecution

Foxy, please elaborate.  I need to know.
The last two maindeck slots were metagame slots.
I expected the metagame breakdown to be Tezz, Fish, Combo, and Workshop, in that order.

So, I wanted something that would be awesome in the Fish and/or Tezz matchup, and at least decent in all other matchups.
Preference went towards any card that answered Goyf, Time Vault, or helped give me reach to have lethal damage by turn 4.

I also expected Inkwell, not Colossus, as the Tinker target I would face.

I considered Hide//Seek, but I didn't consider Colossus and it was poor in the Fish matchup, so I decided against it.

Then I decided that I would either play Lightning Bolt or Zealous Persecution. I went with the latter.
Here was my rational:

Lightning Bolt answers potential problem creatures like Welder, Confidant, Sower, Painter, and Juggernaut.
It can also make a Tezzeret useless for a turn at instant speed. It also allows one of your little guys to trade with Goyf.
It deals extra damage whether or not your creatures connect. Lightning Bolt is decent in every matchup.

Zealous Persecution can kill multiple Confidants and Welders if they're in play.
I did not expect Sower to be a problem, and I did not foresee Painter or Juggernaut seeing play.
My deck is fast and has creatures, so I don't really care about a resolved Tezzeret unless I'm already going to lose.
I am assuming that Zealous Persecution will deal slightly less damage than Bolt, on average, since blocking will occur.
However, the only situation I can see where this is an issue is if someone is blocking and I need to kill them ASAP.
The only relevant scenarios I can think of for this is Tinker -> Colossus, which I assumed would not occur,
or multiple Goyfs being on the board, in which case Zealous Persecution is probably better anyway.
The difference is that Zealous Persecution is about as good as Bolt in every relevant matchup, but amazing against Fish and some other matchups,
so I picked it over Lightning Bolt.

Against Fish, the plan is to rush them with early creatures. This forces the Fish player to block.
If the Fish player blocks your guys and you play Zealous Persecution, you wipe out their team.
Lightning Bolt doesn't do this. In addition, Zealous Persecution can end up dealing more damage in the Fish matchup
by killing off one toughness creature(s) that would have blocked and then adding power to your creatures on top of that.

It also has some other interesting applications, like answering Empty the Warrens, killing all of Ichorid's one toughness creatures,
being swell against Goblins, allowing certain creatures to survive a Pyroclasm, killing Cold-Eye Selkie and Noble Hierarch at the same time,
and being the funniest card you can ever cast in the ELVES! matchup.

Additionally, I needed something else to bring in against creature decks (Mogg Salvage your Mox?), so I put two Zealous Persecution in the sideboard.

The only match I drew Zealous Persecution in, and wasn't already winning, was against Tezz in the finals, which killed me with Tinker->Colossus twice. Hm.
So, in hindsight, Zealous Persecution could have been better as either Hide//Seek or Lightning Bolt in this specific tourney, with my specific hands.
However, neither Hide//Seek or Lightning Bolt are legal in Standard.
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2009, 08:16:04 am »

Thanks for the explaination. I love the list and plan to acquire the cards to build it.  Other than ichorid, I'd call this monstrosity the budget deck to play -- it just runs things over.
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 03:38:01 pm »

I'm glad you like the list.

FYI, if Colossus starts seeing significant play again, the list might need some tweaking.
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 09:52:13 pm »

Perhaps Dead // Gone over the Zealous Persecution?  The dead portion serves the same role to some degree, with the gone offering utility.
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2009, 09:39:10 am »

Perhaps Dead // Gone over the Zealous Persecution?  The dead portion serves the same role to some degree, with the gone offering utility.
It could work! I'll keep Dead // Gone in mind when I get the chance to look over the potential options.
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2009, 01:27:58 pm »

Perhaps Dead // Gone over the Zealous Persecution?  The dead portion serves the same role to some degree, with the gone offering utility.
It could work! I'll keep Dead // Gone in mind when I get the chance to look over the potential options.

How's the mana for the deck? I remember in Extended Zoo you typically opened with Overgrown Tomb --> Sacred Foundry (Bayou--> Plateau) to turn on your Nacatl and Tidehollow, but I guess Putrid Leech and Moxes kind of changes that. Any insight to give?
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2009, 10:05:52 pm »

Perhaps Dead // Gone over the Zealous Persecution?  The dead portion serves the same role to some degree, with the gone offering utility.
It could work! I'll keep Dead // Gone in mind when I get the chance to look over the potential options.

How's the mana for the deck? I remember in Extended Zoo you typically opened with Overgrown Tomb --> Sacred Foundry (Bayou--> Plateau) to turn on your Nacatl and Tidehollow, but I guess Putrid Leech and Moxes kind of changes that. Any insight to give?
If you've got a Mox in play, you can fetch everything but that color.
Mox Jet = Taiga + Plateau
Mox Ruby = Bayou + Scrubland
Mox Emerald = Badlands + Scrubland

The main problem with this, as you've pointed out, is that unless you have a Mox Jet,
you can't make Nacatl a 3/3 and still be able to cast Putrid Leech and Tidehollow
until you get a third land in play. You have to pick and choose.

So, this makes using fetchlands a little more complicated,
since you have to shut off certain options during the first couple turns.
In order to fetch correctly,
you have to figure out the best line of play over the next few turns, given the situation,
and then fetch the appropriate land to enable that line of play.

This has worked for me so far, but there may be a better method I am not aware of.

In addition, my manabase may not be optimal.
I haven't tested a manabase without City of Brass much, so perhaps the Cities aren't necessary.
They were carried over from some past experience with 4-5 color manabases that predates needing a Mountain and Plains for Nacatl.
Also, I personally own only a few duals and fetches, so using Cities instead to stay within the proxy count
has further played into my habitual inclusion of City of Brass.

Adding a Savannah probably solves this entire post, since Savannah + Badlands enables Putrid Leech, Tidehollow, and Nacatl's +2/+2 by the second turn.
When I tested a similar deck for the last TMD Open, Savannah manascrewed me every time it was in my starting hand, so I omitted it,
but it's probably worth including in this particular mutation of that deck given the above.
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