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« on: January 21, 2004, 09:36:10 am » |
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There's been interesting discussion in the last few days on the Wizards Rules listserv. D'Angelo is retiring, and Wizards is taking over his monthly Rulings compilation. They mentioned in this context that those rulings will include Oracle wordings for the Portal cards. An alert reader reminded them that their main justification for still disallowing Portal was the lack of Oracle wording, and asked if Portal could now be made legal. Rune Horvik said True answer is - I don't know right now. I'll ask. Not just Jungle Lion, kids. There are tutors in there. |
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2004, 10:44:26 am » |
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Portal is a little before my time in Magic. I apologize. Would there be playable type 1 cards in there?
You mention Tutors, what kind of tutors.
If this is too general a post perhaps you could direct me to a place so that I can read a "spoiler list" of cards.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2004, 10:57:11 am » |
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You mention Tutors, what kind of tutors.
Stuff like: Personal Tutor Sorcery U Search your deck for a sorcery and reveal that card to all players. Shuffle your deck and put the revealed card on top of it. or Cruel Tutor Sorcery 2B Search your deck for any card. Shuffle your deck and put that card on top of it. You lose 2 life. Weak versions of current tutors (but tutors, none the less). |
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2004, 11:09:56 am » |
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Jungle Lion is the most playable card in the set.
It's the green Savannah Lion, 2/1 for G.
It's not quite clear how the tutors would template.
The set has no instants,
even the counterspells are sorceries,
so the sorcery tutors could arguably become instants.
Granted, Wizards will probably leave them as sorceries,
but a boy can dream, can't he?
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2004, 12:05:08 pm » |
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If the current oracle wordings say sorcery, then that's almost certainly how Wizards will leave them. I'm curious what they'll do with cards like Piracy, though.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2004, 12:12:28 pm » |
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thanks for not flaming me for not knowing the cards.
The blue tutor seems very playable I would think, th eblacks mana cost might prohibit it from being used in all decks, but still looks pretty nice as well.
I agree that Jungle Lions is pretty cool as a 2/1 for G. I will have to see if I can find a list so that I can check out the rest of the cards.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2004, 12:14:18 pm » |
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re Piracy, D'Angelo has this: Info: Color=Blue Type=Sorcery Cost=UU P2(R)/ST(R)
Text(ST): This turn, you may tap lands you don't control to help pay for your spells.
When played under non-Portal rules, the text should be read as "Until end of turn, you may play mana abilities of lands you don't control, putting the mana they generate into your mana pool. Use mana produced this way only to play spells." [DeLaney 2000/06/09]
All tournament formats have banned this card because it only appears in Portal and Starter. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2004, 02:59:34 pm » |
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The blue tutor might be playable but mystical is just better. The black one is definetly unplayable as vampiric tutor is instant and 2 less.
The green savanha lion dose look like it is one of the better cards but old scholl stompy is dead and oshawa stompy has no use for it. So it dosent seem like this set will make much of a difference in T1.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2004, 05:02:25 pm » |
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Speaking of Oshawa Stompy, how about Nature's Ruin as a SB card against it? 2B, destroy all green creatures. Meh, it's not much but it's probably about all portal will offer. Still, if nothing else it'll be nice to say that Type 1 is finally the format where you can play all of your (non-ante/dexterity) cards.
EDIT: Um, yeah, I knew about Perish. I just don't...err...like Rebecca Guay artwork or something. Besides now you can run 8! *cough*
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2004, 05:42:04 pm » |
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Speaking of Oshawa Stompy, how about Nature's Ruin as a SB card against it? 2B, destroy all green creatures. Meh, it's not much but it's probably about all portal will offer.  |
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2004, 05:49:08 pm » |
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i agree to your opinions about Jungle Lion, but there are many other stupid cards in there, like Endless Cockroachers  "Endless Cockroaches" Info: Color = Black Type = Creature - Insect Cost = 1BB Edition = Portal (PT) Text: "When Endless Cockroaches goes to a graveyard from play, return it to its owner's hand" Portal is an odd set, and i don't think it will ever be legalized in T1. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2004, 07:28:55 pm » |
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I believe Zodiac Dragon and Endless Cockroaches would be allowable errata, since their wording would have been different if they were expert-level cards originally. I'm not sure if they'll stamp on the WGD "no errata" issue, though. I hope not.
Those tutors aren't as good as what we have, but I'm unsure how much they would help Storm combo. I tend to worry about anything the looks through the library that well.
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2004, 07:37:00 pm » |
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The errata is built into their current oracle wordings. They all have "from play" added. I'm sure wizards would use that, if they legalize these things.
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2004, 10:38:56 pm » |
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They don't have oracle wordings at all yet. Portal block is completely absent from the Oracle, or was last I looked. They will obviously use the Crystal Keep wordings when they add them to the Oracle since otherwise those 2 recursive cards are ridiculously broken.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2004, 10:44:06 pm » |
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EDIT: Um, yeah, I knew about Perish. I just don't...err...like Rebecca Guay artwork or something. Besides now you can run 8! *cough* Commit seppuku. Now. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2004, 12:09:56 am » |
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Wouldn't Personal Tutor almost resurrect Long? Tutor up Will, use either Brainstorm or Chromatic Sphere to draw it...
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2004, 10:37:33 pm » |
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What about Horsemanship? Or would they just not bother with the Three Kingdom cards? I could just imagine some annoying horsemanship decks cropping up. . .  |
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2004, 01:18:22 am » |
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What about Horsemanship? Or would they just not bother with the Three Kingdom cards? I could just imagine some annoying horsemanship decks cropping up. . . How would a horsemanship deck be annoying? The mechanic itself is only slightly better than Shadow, while all the creatures that have it are nowhere near as efficiently costed. |
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2004, 01:33:30 am » |
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What about Horsemanship? Or would they just not bother with the Three Kingdom cards? I could just imagine some annoying horsemanship decks cropping up. . . How would a horsemanship deck be annoying? The mechanic itself is only slightly better than Shadow, while all the creatures that have it are nowhere near as efficiently costed. Smilie = I'm just kidding. Also, annoying doesn't mean good. Annoying is just annoying. Like when someone rides their horse past your Dreadnaught. That's annoying (but ultimately futile). |
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2004, 04:22:17 pm » |
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I completely agree with Matt that Personal Tutor would be a very powerful tutor for long. Even without reading his post, I thought about adding 4 in the deck as well as Yawgmoth's Will. And it can also fetch most of the Draw 7. Should Portal become tournament legal, this card will have to be watched because it basically give you access to five copies of each restricted sorcery and combo will find something to break it.
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2004, 10:55:20 am » |
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If Portal were legalized,
Personal Tutor would be restricted the same day.
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