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chris_G
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« on: January 20, 2004, 04:15:42 pm » |
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Here it is so far:
land
1 [card]strip mine[/card]
1 [card]plateau[/card]
14 plains
creatures
1 [card]masticore[/card]
1 [card]exalted angel[/card]
spells
3 [card]zuran orb[/card]
4 [card]orims chant[/card]
4 [card]abeyance[/card]
4 [card]isochron scepter[/card]
3 [card]scroll rack[/card]
2 [card]goblin charbelcher[/card]
3 [card]aura of silence[/card]
4 [card]swords to plowshares[/card]
3 [card]argivian find[/card]
1 [card]chrome mox[/card]
1 [card]enlightened tutor[/card]
1 [card]sol ring[/card]
4 [card]land tax[/card]
1 [card]lotus petal[/card]
2 [card]ivory mask[/card]
1 [card]story circle[/card]
Sideboard:
2 [card]circle of protection red[/card]
3 [card]karma[/card]-1 probably to a life burst
3 [card]rule of law[/card]
1 [card]tormods crypt[/card]
1 [card]second sunrise[/card]-probably to a life burst
1 [card]humble[/card]-probably to a life burst
1 [card]windborn muse[/card]-probably to a life burst
2 [card]disenchant[/card]
1 [card]seal of cleansing[/card]
Any suggestions on it?
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2004, 05:03:01 pm » |
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tragic poet? Maybe you can provide us some more info on the more 'uncommon' card choices before we talk about it. What does your metagame look like, for instance? What made you use the poet over a 3rd Argivian Find? Why are you playing Humility in the same deck as Masticore, Exalted and Poet? If land Tax is your land fetcher of choice, why isn't there a basic mountain in there? I hope you realise you cannot search for Plateau? Answer this and I'll make suggestions.
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chris_G
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 05:16:58 pm » |
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tragic poet? Maybe you can provide us some more info on the more 'uncommon' card choices before we talk about it. What does your metagame look like, for instance? What made you use the poet over a 3rd Argivian Find? Why are you playing Humility in the same deck as Masticore, Exalted and Poet? If land Tax is your land fetcher of choice, why isn't there a basic mountain in there? I hope you realise you cannot search for Plateau? Answer this and I'll make suggestions. Ok, firstly I do not use humility anymore(actually I think I forgot to take it out of this list before posting it, the decklist is posted on other sites), I use the plateau because I usually would want to leave it there for the charbelcher but I could still use it if it does come up because of white and I do know I can't search for it with tax and my metagame actually is mostly made up of stax sometimes, keeper and sligh. |
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2004, 05:33:30 pm » |
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I am guessing Humble is there as an imprint target...Why? Swords to Plowshares is the best targeted answer for creatures there is, there is no valid reason to use anything else unless you are already running 4 of them. And even then I would question your choice of Humble.
Why Tragic Poet? It is weaker than Argivian Find in every way, other than the fact it can swing for 1. And on top of that it is not imprintable.
Also if Humilty is not suposed to be there, use the edit feature to correct your deck list. How is anyone going to help you if you don't even post the correct list?
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chris_G
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 05:37:07 pm » |
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I would most likly use a third argivian find when i get it but for now I use the poet. I use humble just cuz my friends said so lol. What should I use over it?
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 08:08:55 pm » |
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land
1 strip mine -> A single card to deal with lands is not enough. Add Wastelands/Blood Moon.
1 plateau
14 plains
creatures
1 masticore
1 exalted angel -> I think you should run 4 of these if you want to play some. Having a single one seems too random.
1 tragic poet -> This has to become another Argivian Find.
spells
3 zuran orb
4 orim's chant
4 abeyance
4 isochron scepter
3 scroll rack
2 goblin charbelcher
3 aura of silence -> I personally prefer Seal of Cleansing now. It's faster and the mana cost is really important when you have to keep mana open for the Scepters.
3 swords to plowshares
2 argivian find
1 chrome mox -> I guess this is ok in a budget deck.
1 enlightened tutor
1 sol ring
4 land tax
1 lotus petal
2 ivory mask -> Wow! Lots of burn in your area? You can try Life Burst x4 or Gilded Light as they have better synergy with the Scepters.
1 humble -> Nice card, but having it only once in your deck isn't that great. I'd replace this with the 4th Swords.
1 story circle -> Too expensive. Try Righteous Aura, which is better/faster vs Dreadnought/TnT. You should try Life Burst if you play this though.
Sideboard:
2 circle of protection red -> I think 4 Life Bursts would be enough.
3 karma -> Too expensive. Black decks can be played without having a lot of swamps in play. I think some enchantments like Kirtar's Desire or Pariah could be nice alternatives since you can get them back with Finds if they are discarded.
3 rule of law
1 tormod's crypt -> This is one of the best cards in the format right now. Play 4!
1 second sunrise -> Against what?
1 humble -> Can be cut. See maindeck explanation.
1 windborn muse -> Not bad, but I think you already have some stuff vs aggro.
2 disenchant
1 seal of cleansing -> Turn this into a Disenchant if you replace the maindeck Auras with Seals.
Other considerations :
- Razor Barrier, since you rely a lot on your Scepters.
- Adding more red would allow you to play Fire/Ice.
- Null Rod can be a real problem. Up the number of Seals if it's prevalent.
- Where's Balance?
I hope that helps.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2004, 08:15:06 pm » |
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Ok thx a bunch you and the others on this site have been more helpful with my deck than the 3 other sites I posted this on all together thx!
You can take a look at my corrections on my deck from peoples posts.
Alos, I think I might leave the COP:reds in my board, u would,'t beleive how much sligh is being played around I live!(some people actually maindeck the cop red here!)
Lets keep the help coming! It's very much appereciated!
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2004, 07:17:18 pm » |
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I'm one of the (few maybe?) people who like a mix of zuran orb and claws of gix. No big deal there, though.
You gotta get a balance into the deck.
Samite Ministration can be fun to imprint on a scepter, although you might want other (enchantment) answers to black/red.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2004, 08:37:47 pm » |
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Would wastelands be helpful in this.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2004, 10:24:33 pm » |
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@ Leakycow Unfortunately wastelands have the side effect of slowing down the charbelcher, but they are needed in most meta games. Instead of wastelands you could try blood moon. It is one of the best hosers in magic and you could include the additional mountain to run it. Try a moat if you don't like the humilities. It will cost you around $40, but in an aggro meta it is often worth it. The exalted angel is nice for a sligh meta-game, but one is not a good number to take. It is also a very slow card so if you face good decks it can be a waste of hand space. If you decide to take moats you wouldn't need the additional (slow  ) creatures. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2004, 07:25:46 pm » |
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I do not believe Parfait to be an optimal choice for the current Type 1 environment. I feel that Keeper is far superior against a general field and advise you to play that instead.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2004, 08:23:48 pm » |
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@ THENATE:
Hmm... this might be an abstract concept to you, but maybe he wants to play a deck that he ENJOYS? Think that over for a minute.
@ chris_G:
Do you find that you really need all that anti-countermagic in there? Personally, I would go with x2 Abeyance and x4 Orim's Chant - 4 of each seems like too much. I would suggest adding another Mountain, and (instead of the Strip/Wastes route) go with MD Blood Moon. Finally, how often do you win with Exalted / Masticore? If I were you, I would put the 'Core in the SB, and if you really want an alternate win condition with creatures, play Eternal Dragon in the main.
So...
-1 Strip Mine
-2 Abeyance
-1 Exalted Angel
-1 Masticore
-1 Story Circle or Ivory Mask
+1 Balance
+1 Mountain
+2 Blood Moon
+2 Eternal Dragon
As for the SB...
Do you often have trouble with black? I think that the only serious threat to parfait in black is Sui (obviously) and Karma is far too slow to be a threat to Sui. Even if they take 4 or 5 a turn, they'll be dealing damage far faster than you. Life Bursts, while seemingly 'good', don't really have a practical application - what would you side them in against? If your metagame contains some Stax, I suggest adding Sacred Ground.
-3 Karma
-1 Second Sunrise
-1 Humble
-1 Windborn Muse
+2 Blood Moon
+2 Sacred Ground
+1 Story Circle / Ivory Mask (whichever you removed)
+1 ??
Fill in the last slot with whatever you think is necessary.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2004, 05:08:24 pm » |
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Ok cool. That helped alot, I will make some changes accordingly to what you said.
@THENATE, I play parfait over keeper, because I do not have power and not enough money to make keeper. I also play parfait over it because it is my favorite deck, and have been wanting to make it for a long time, plus I would be only the second one to play it in my environnement, therefore, people would not be ready to board against me because the regular parfait player doesn't play very often at all.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2004, 01:53:10 am » |
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I would suggest pulling out the masticore and the exalted angel and putting in a humility and a fourth swords to plowshares. I would also put a couple of mountains in instead of the plateau and a plains. If you get one in hand you can always rack it back in. I am also a fan of soldevi digger. I think that your opponent should concede to you instead of being killed by the charbelcher, because you have had them locked down with an orim's chant or abayance on the isochron scepter for the last 10 turns. Also, vs. sligh and mono red, with zuran orb you should be able to gain enough life to survive. If not add an ivory tower.
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2004, 04:57:49 pm » |
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I would not consider myself to be an expert on Parfait, but I feel I must add this tidbit at least:
My friend has played Parfait for at least a couple years. He has tested many different win conditions in the deck, and has arrived at Test of Endurance as his current win condition. Test is a very decent card to use, since it coincides with what the deck is already trying to do, gain life. The only gripe about this card as a win condition, is that it takes a lot of time to play (i.e. 50 min rounds can get a little long). If you consider yourself a faster player though, you may be able to get this card to work for you.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2004, 02:02:30 am » |
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the belchers are plenty for a win condition. I don't even play the exalted angels or masticore main. I Haven't found a reason to play the masticore side or angels side. I have considered eternal dragon though. That is only if I suspected a jester's cap could take out my 2 belchers. Then usually I can digger them back in. If you practice, you can belch and easily win in the alloted time.
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