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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2003, 10:54:58 pm » |
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There are six colorless sources. It -is- quite common to have U1 out on turn 2. Or, should you have started with land-Sol Ring, you can now cast both an Impulse and a Mana Leak by the time you have your second land out (assuming blue :|).
Truth is, IRL I run white as my third color. My build initially had 2 Wishes to begin with and since the field was so aggro heavy in my area I switched to 1 Wish 1 StP.
Cunning Wish will still grab Naturalize (huzzah) or draw, though the critter kill it can grab is not so godly, in this case. I think even if you're unpowered it's still worthy of one slot--multiples can be questioned.
And Zherbus: Haven't I suggested this to you about three times, already? >:/\n\n
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Terevaune
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2003, 11:06:59 pm » |
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I've recently been using near powerless gat (I only have ancestral), and it's been doing pretty well, even with the loss of gush. I did some testing recently and knocked out a few fully powered control and combo decks pretty well.
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Black Explosion
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2003, 11:19:53 pm » |
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Several budget decks
//NAME: R\G Beats
4 Kird Ape
4 Gorilla Shaman
3 Dwarven Miner
4 Blurred Mongoose
4 River Boa
3 Masticore
4 Incinerate
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Naturalize
4 Cursed Scroll
6 Mountain
7 Forest
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Taiga
2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
SB: 4 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 4 Compost
SB: 3 Blood Moon
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
This is a good budget deck for those with a meta of mono black and blue-based control. Blastoderms can be subsituted for masticores if they are too expensive for you to get.
//NAME: Ankh Sligh
4 Ankh of Mishra
4 Cursed Scroll
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Cadets
4 Jackal Pup
1 Fork
4 Price of Progress
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Incinerate
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
18 Mountain
SB: 4 Goblin Vandal
SB: 4 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 4 Pyrokinesis
SB: 3 Pyroblast
Classic budget deck. Cursed scrolls can be hard to find now, but they are simply a must in the deck (colorless damage, constant damage).
//NAME: Gay fish
10 Island
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Faerie Conclave
3 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
3 Psionic Blast
3 Null Rod
4 Curiosity
4 Standstill
4 Misdirection
4 Force of Will
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Manta Riders
4 Rootwater Thief
SB: 4 Suq'Ata Firewalker
SB: 1 Black Vise
SB: 3 Nevinyrral's Disk
SB: 3 Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 1 Psionic Blast
SB: 3 Maze of Ith
Beats the snot out of blue based control... does well in a mixed metagame.
//NAME: Pierce.dec
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Anger
1 Genesis
1 Druid Lyrist
1 Gorilla Shaman
3 Squee, Goblin Nabob
4 River Boa
4 Blastoderm
1 Masticore
1 Dawnstrider
4 Blood Moon
3 Stormbind
4 Survival of the Fittest
4 Eladamri's Vineyard
11 Forest
2 Mountain
4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
SB: 2 Elvish Lyrist
SB: 1 Uktabi Orangutan
SB: 3 Gigapede
SB: 4 Spike Feeder
SB: 1 Dawnstrider
SB: 4 Carpet of Flowers
Reigns supreme in an aggro format; does moderately well against blue-based control. 4 MD blood moons mean you could possibly accidently win against some combo.
THIS is what I thought I'd see in a budget deck area. Since when are mana drains "budget"?
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PsychoCid
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2003, 11:24:31 pm » |
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That's what I pointed out. Clearly, those would be Counterspells, but I left them as Drains since bebe had them. :|
Also, your Sligh deck is running a Mountain (18 red sources!? Waste of space without Ball Lightning or Fireblast) in place of Black Vise.
PS - Optimal Powerless/Budget Keeper is best known as Oath. :|\n\n
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Eastman
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2003, 11:44:56 pm » |
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Keeper can be very viable for the unpowered player. Although running keeper without power is nigh impossible, it isn't hard to build something very functional with the standard 5 proxys allowed at most major tournaments. See my link below to a relatively low budget (mid-low) trinity keeper deck. I plan on giving a more in depth discussion of this deck in a week or so when I've a bit more time on my hands. Until then... http://www.geocities.com/rimodelleg/Trinity_new.html |
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bebe
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2003, 08:23:58 am » |
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psychocid -
I was just trying to stir things up. I am not any kind of an expert on Oath as I've never played the deck (just against it). I just thought it might generate a list which it did. I hope you didn't think i was presenting myself as an expert. I will bow to your experience. I just wanted a decent list for all budget arch types that we could somewhat agree upon. Maybe Zherbus will collate the best of them into a seperate primer.
As for the Stasis deck, it is not terrible. Without Gush it really is hard to invent a new approach.
On the other hand I do play mono-blue. I like my build. Mana Drains cost me 100 dollars for a set of our Italian. It was one of the few sets I did not sell ( I sold my English ). I consider the mono-blue deck quite affordable as written. And it is one of the few budget decks I would take to a tournament.
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Jet
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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2003, 07:43:36 am » |
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Here's an unpowered rectortrix deck I made. Still needs to be tuned in a few card slots, but it's been doing good enough that I think it's a viable unpowered combo deck.
4 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Academy Rectors
3 Illusions
2 Donate
1 Necro
1 Bargin
1 Rushing river
1 Yawgmoth's will
1 Vamp tutor
1 Demonic tutor
1 Impulse
1 Lim-dul's vault
--mana--
4 Dark Ritual
1 mana crypt
1 sol ring
1 lotus petal
1 grim monolith
1 mox diamond
4 U/B fetchlands
1 U/W fetchland
4 Gemstone mine
4 Underground sea
4 Scrubland
The 1 Impulse/Vault was 2 Vaults, but they were too hard to cast consistantly and Impulse was the first card I thought of to replace one.
And here's an oath deck that remarkably like cid's, yet sill quite different.
omgThisIsRedundant.dec
4 Oath of druids
2 Gaea's blessing
1 weaver
1 feeder
1 morphlnig
4 Mana drain
4 Force of Will
2 Misdirction
4 Duress
4 Brainstorm
2 Impulse
1 Demonic tutor
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Fact or Fiction
2 Cunning wish
2 Pernicious Deed
4 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Island
1 Forest
1 Sol Ring
1 Wasteland
1 Strip mine
2 Mishra's Factory
SB:
vamp tutor, naturalize, etc.
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wuaffiliate
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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2003, 07:25:12 pm » |
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ive found fish to be extremely fun to play its cheap and very effective. its my new toy
ill be running my version at 401 next month if i can accumulate all the cardboard.
//NAME: GhettoFagz.dec
// Creatures
4 Manta Riders
4 Rootwater thief
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Lord of Atlantis
// Spells
4 Standstill
4 Curiosity
4 Force of will
3 Misdirection
3 Null Rod
3 Stifle
1 Black Vise
// Mana
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Faerie Conclave
2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
11 Island
SB: 4 Sigil of Sleep
SB: 2 Wasteland
SB: 2 Capsize
SB: 3 Sea Sprite
SB: 4 Legacy's Allure
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Shade
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« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2003, 10:22:42 pm » |
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I think a budget version of the Tendrils deck might work. Instead of Moxen, use Ornithopters, Phyrexian Walkers, Shield Spheres, etc.
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Vegeta2711
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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2003, 10:50:08 pm » |
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//NAME: Budget CounterSliver
// Mana
1 Plains
2 Island
4 Windswept Heath
4 Flooded Strand
4 Tropical Island
4 Tundra
4 Savannah
// Other
4 Brainstorm
2 Sylvan Library
3 Seal of Cleansing
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Null Rod
// Counters
4 Force of Will
// Critters
4 Meddling Mage
2 Victual Sliver
4 Crystalline Sliver
4 Winged Sliver
4 Muscle Sliver
// Sideboard
SB: 1 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 1 Seal of Cleansing
SB: 2 Sacred Ground
SB: 3 Annul
SB: 4 Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 4 Energy Flux
Well this is the deck w/o power. It’s of course automatically slower, but can run another fetchie and more basic lands. The bigger addition though is the gain of 3 Null Rod’s to deal with Keg and other Moxen/stuff.
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